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Where's the guts in the JCS now? Only in the Marines!(Maybe)
Posted on 11/30/2010 11:43:33 AM PST by OldDeckHand
A just-released Pentagon study on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell–covered live on all cable nets–finds overturning DADT would not cause any longterm problems for the American military.
“A strong majority (of American troops surveyed)–more than two thirds–do not object to gays and lesbians serving openly in the military,” said Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who introduced the survey’s results alonside Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
According to the study–the largest ever conducted–looked at the impact of changing the military’s policy on openly serving gays and lesbians on “unit cohesiveness, military readiness, recruitment and retention.”
The study found 70 percent of troops surveyed believed repealing the law would have mixed, positive, or no effect, while 30 percent predicted problems. Opposition to ending DADT was strongest among all-male combat troops, including Army and Marine units.
(Excerpt) Read more at mediaite.com ...
Polls have long been used as propaganda to lend legitimacy in debates. That is, bogus polls.
Undoubtedly this is a rigged outcome. The technique in macro terms falls under what has been termed the “delphi technique” and is a form of crowd control or manipulation in order to effect a desired outcome while giving participants the illusion there has been an honest debate and the democratic process, etc. Used in business, academia, and government.
Anytime you hear “group facilitator” or “focus groups” and the like you can be assured it’s a Grade A scam. Same thing here.
7 Days in May...look it up
Where's the guts in the JCS now? Only in the Marines!(Maybe)
Saturday Night “Blanket Parties” are going to become ALL the rage ... BTW, got a couple bars of soap and a sock ???
Well, if your sergeant comes around to the barracks and asks, “Do you guys favor gays in the military, or would you rather have KP for the next six months, let’s see a show of hands,” what do they reply?
This kind of “survey” run down the chain of command by corrupt get-alongers like Gates and Mullen is going to “find” whatever it wants to find. And if it doesn’t, they’ll just cook the numbers anyway.
I find this to be total horse shit. I meet and speak with hundreds of troops deploying and returning each year and none. Let me make that clear, NOT ONE SINGLE TROOP has ever stated that they are in favor of homosexuals openly serving in the military.
Right - and in a few years; promotions and choice assignments will be based on preferences rather than merit.
It happens in the private sector - but there are other employers - choosing a military career limits your senior officers and your options.
They say "garbage in garbage out." Too bad we will never see the junk behind the study. Too bad that there are no real journalists dedicated to meaningful facts and the truth. It is too bad that those in charge of the study did not read or understand the position of the Marines and Army. I am disappointed and disgusted.
The Pentagon said only 28% of troops surveyed responded to the questionnaire, or 115,000 troops and 44,200 military spouses.
These Morons will destroy the country.
Even IF 2/3 of THOSE IN THE SURVEY believe that it may not make a difference.
You may still lose 1/3 of the military who do.
The stupid liberals want to destroy the military and believe that we have on enemies.
They are going to be shocked to find our enemies are not unicorns that crap skittles.
Wasn’t the wikileaks soldier who took all the data a homosexual? Would that suggest there could be a problem?
Exactly why I didn’t bother responding to their so-called “survey.” It’s perfectly obvious that the powers-that-be don’t give a $h!+ what we think.
Talked with a couple of guys who took the “study”. Both said it was very leading and took you to where they wanted you to go if you were not paying attention.
Well,
Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em! takes on a whole new meaning.
The Pentagon as Massachusetts, Marry a Fag, Don’t Smoke One, at least not in public!
My Representative presents an argument in favor of repeal, which betrays a basic misunderstanding of the character of military service. He says, “The private, legal sexual conduct of military personnel off duty and off base, whether homosexual or heterosexual, should not be of interest to the Pentagon leadership. The bottom line is that an individual’s performance in uniform is what should count. Sexual contact on base is already governed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) - the judicial code that all military personnel are subject to”.
Yet military operations are not conducted in garrison, and offer no opportunities for off duty or private time. The current law recognizes maintaining high morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion requires extraordinary restrictions. All military organizations exist to serve operating military personnel, locked in small task oriented units, forward deploy, and continuously face extraordinary stress if not actual combat. At the pointy end of the spear, they face environments characterized by sacrificial, primitive and intimate relations. Such environments are inherently chaotic and brittle, and can only be overcome by a totalitarian leadership unimaginable in pacific situations faced by the REMFS.
Now OldDeckHand can probably translate REMFS for you, but the private discussion option should be used.
That's right. I say this all the time, but the reasons for not allowing homosexuals to serve openly really has nothing to do with the depravity of the personal sexual endeavors. The reason is segregation - IOW, we will now lose entirely the ability to segregate people from each other who are predisposed to engage in sexual contact.
Why is that bad? It's bad because sexual relations between two adults - even if consensual - forever changes the relationship dynamic. We will have people that will die, and missions that won't get accomplished solely because two "bitches" are involved in a lover's spat. It's that simple.
For this reason, and only this reason, is it worth risking our own national security to placate the desires of an tiny fraction of society. I think the answer is plainly, NO.
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The leftist scum is pushing hard. Conservatives need to PUSH BACK. I hope that this does not pass any vote before January; but if it does, that the R controlled House can bring it back and defeat it. This is ruination.
And here is what Sola Veritas who took the survey had to say about it:
It was poorly worded. As a reservist, I was randomly picked to answer it, as was my wife. It was worded so poorly that one could not clearly articulate their opposition to the proposed policy change.
It wasn’t exactly a “push poll”, but it seemed like one when I took the survey. I was thoroughly disgusted that it was not possible to say what I trully thought because of the wording of questions. About the only way you could show disdain for the proposal was to say you would leave military service or not recommend it to another if homosexuals could serve openly. You could indicate it would hurt unit cohesion, but it was very hard to do so by the wording.
Also, until recently when the army started to downsize again, they had really lowered standards for recruitment. While we still have abd had many fine young American men and women joining and serving, many subpar types were let in...so I wouldn’t be surprised if they said “no problem.”
I’ve read Senator McCain’s latest statement on DADT and his objections to the “survey” mirror what I’m saying and others that have taken the survey say. So, he must be listenting to military folks. So, on this, he seems to have his head on straight. This issue needs to be left alone by the Lame Duck congress. IF, and I don’t think there is, any real merit to repealing DADT, then it should be addressed by the new congress.
Ten Reasons to Oppose an “LGBT Law” or Policy for the Military
The Center for Military Readiness ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608259/posts
Senate Testimony: European Militaries Are Not Role Models for U.S.
The Center for Military Readiness ^ | 3/22/2010
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608228/posts
There are more reasons why mentally ill sex perverts should not be in the military.
Rates of Homosexual Assault in the Military Are Disproportionately High
FRC ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608306/posts
In Support the 1993 Law Stating that Homosexuals are not Eligible to Serve in the Military
CMR ^ | July 23, 2008 | Elaine Donnelly
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608370/posts
As with everything else, it will go beyond just being allowed to admit being gay, it will them morph into a quota system, like the one that exists today.
Have a 18-19 yr. old, physically fit and with a decent, 60 or above ASVAB score walk into a recruiter, he will wait 10 mos. or more, longer for the Marines, to get to basic/boot camp in most cases, now have a woman or minority walk in, they get put a head of the line.
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