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The GOP Presidential Primary Isn’t Big Enough for Palin and a Bunch of Others
National Review Online ^ | 11/22/10 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 11/22/2010 11:38:15 AM PST by FTJM

The two Republicans whose names came up most often on the NR cruise? Sarah Palin and Chris Christie.

In my interactions with only a fraction of the 700+ NR cruisegoers — mostly older, mostly well-off, passionate about politics, and many heavily involved with the tea parties — I found about two-thirds wildly enthusiastic about Sarah Palin; you could hear the gasps when Scott Rasmussen predicted she would not be the 2012 Republican nominee. Most of the remaining one-third said that while they personally liked Palin, they didn’t want to see her run in 2012, or anytime soon. An isolated few didn’t seem to like Palin much at all.

I was struck by how many Palin fans agreed with me that resigning the governorship, while understandable, is a serious misstep for any aspiring president. If you want to govern, it is best to demonstrate that you can govern.

The Palin family has taken over your television, between “Sarah Palin’s Alaska” on TLC and Bristol Palin dancing up a storm on “Dancing With the Stars.” You’re also seeing Palin on the cover of People and other non-political magazines. It’s odd to see a Republican begin to master the domination of pop culture that Obama practiced in 2007 and 2008, and this is certainly a way to keep Palin enthusiasts at a fever pitch. But I’m not sure this approach gets her where she wants to go, or at least whether it wins over the folks who aren’t on board with her already.

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KEYWORDS: natlrinoonline; nro4romney; palin; romney; romney4romney; romneybotattack; romneybots; romneyvsgop
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To: rbmillerjr

Yes, you.


141 posted on 11/22/2010 10:53:13 PM PST by FTJM
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To: ansel12
It was two different points, one was the absurdity of comparing someone discussing the choice of your use of the word “cruise” with your obsession of thinking that the leading conservative Presidential candidate said she will not run for President, the scale is way off.

That doesn't make sense either.

The other was to point out that those two guys you mentioned are not in the running for the nomination at this time, and they have no substantial support in that direction, so it is a little hopeless to try and over sell them as equal to a serious frontrunner like Governor Palin.

In the running at this time? That's absurd. Look, I get what you're doing; I say that Pence won the Value Voters Summit straw poll (ahead of Palin) and Demint has enormous support in the TEA Party and among Conservatives (equal or better than Palin's) and you ignore it. Clearly, you don't want the most Conservative candidate in the race and would rather ignore her own words in that regard. It's interesting that you think this is a good strategy...

142 posted on 11/22/2010 11:00:19 PM PST by FTJM
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To: FTJM

“You Lie “

...and you’ve been lying all day. I’ll call you out on your lies on every thread you post on.


143 posted on 11/22/2010 11:07:50 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We knew the Romney RINO hordes were coming....It's on.)
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To: FTJM

With a title like that, it’s easy to see who the front runner is.


144 posted on 11/22/2010 11:42:07 PM PST by Kevmo (Has Obama resigned yet?)
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To: rbmillerjr
I called you out on your lying hateful DDS and your true trollish colors came out. I will call you out every time I see you lie and attack true conservatives like Mike Pence and Jim DeMint.

Now please, go troll somewhere else.

145 posted on 11/23/2010 12:07:41 AM PST by FTJM
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To: rbmillerjr
This is a conservative site.

And....? Licking Sarah Palin's boots is now a requirement to be conservative?

146 posted on 11/23/2010 6:46:06 AM PST by r9etb
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To: t-dude
Sarah Palin is our only hope of a real conservative nominee. If we split our votes among three or four conservatives, a RINO establishment guy like Romney will get the nomination.

I disagree that she's the "only hope". What about Chris Christie? Bobby Jindal? Jim DeMint? What about all the new Tea Party folks in Congress?

What I mean by a Buckley presence is that Palin speaks and it sets the debate. When she mentioned "death panels" in the health care bill, it got the conversation started. It steered the debate. She has done that several times and whether the Left reacts with derision or dismissal, they *do* respond.

She was exceptionally useful this election season without actually running for office. How powerful it would be to have her comments and participation each election season without an actual elective office with which to distract her.

But every time there is a poll released of who should have the GOP nomination, Sarah Palin is not leading. She's not even getting 20% in many of them. That's why I'm unsure her notoriety will translate into votes for president. That's a major problem when the likely result of misdiagnosing the public is four more years of Barack Obama.

I do agree that the Tea Party and conservatives need to coalesce behind one candidate early in the primaries to avoid what happened in 2008. If that person is Palin, I'll have no problem supporting her. But I don't want to hand Palin the nomination until she can prove she has the party's support and, at this point, that's not nearly a certainty.

The Palin supporters need to ask themselves if THEY are willing to support anyone else. I'm not talking about a Romney or Giuliani. I'm talking about solid conservatives whose names are not Sarah Palin.

147 posted on 11/23/2010 7:06:11 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: FreeReign
Today it was your lame link to Sarah reading a teleprompter.

The point being, toady-boy, that Sarah Palin knows how not to talk like a drunk PTA mom.

148 posted on 11/23/2010 7:13:04 AM PST by r9etb
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To: OrangeHoof

Well, that’s my point as well.

The guys you name (Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal, Jim DeMint) are all polling even further behind, (some won’t even run) but they, along with Pence and Barbour and the Huckahillbilly(*shudder*) and who knows who else, will garner enough conservative votes to effectively “split” the conservative block.

Reagan was also derided as too dumb and too conservative, and every poll before the primaries had him losing in a landslide to Carter (he was too polarizing!) It’s two years out, everything can and will change.

Yes, I could go for someone other than Palin, but who? I’m in Iowa and we go first.

We need to be pragmatic and rally around one, and Palin is the one this time IMHO.


149 posted on 11/23/2010 7:39:15 AM PST by t-dude
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To: FTJM

The point that you seem unable to understand is that the second part of your post 124 was a ridiculous comparison.

Your holding on to Pence as winning a straw vote is silly too, straw votes mean nothing or Ron Paul would be President forever. Your claim that DeMint has equal or even better support than Palin is absurd also, DeMint is popular, but not in the Presidential standings.

The weird strategy is your obsession with that throwaway statement of Palin’s, what are you going to do, sue her in court, because you claim that now she cannot run for President because you prefer one of the guys, and that your lawyer can prove that they fulfill Governor Palin’s internal vision of who can fulfill her goals for President?


150 posted on 11/23/2010 9:09:34 AM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney supporter, and anti-tea party figure, Eric Cantor, won this battle.)
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To: r9etb
The point being, toady-boy, that Sarah Palin knows how not to talk like a drunk PTA mom.

Being the top, most desired speaker in America, having given the greatest speeches of any woman in American history, and her extraordinary success from speeches to narrating television, pretty much already revealed that.

151 posted on 11/23/2010 9:13:43 AM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney supporter, and anti-tea party figure, Eric Cantor, won this battle.)
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To: FTJM

Quit lying Mittbot Troll.


152 posted on 11/23/2010 11:00:26 AM PST by rbmillerjr (We knew the Romney RINO hordes were coming....It's on.)
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To: r9etb

We wouldn’t expect a RINO to support Palin.


153 posted on 11/23/2010 11:01:59 AM PST by rbmillerjr (We knew the Romney RINO hordes were coming....It's on.)
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To: OrangeHoof

“But every time there is a poll released of who should have the GOP nomination, Sarah Palin is not leading”

Actually the GOP nomination poll put out by Quineppac yesterday has Palin in the lead for the first time.


154 posted on 11/23/2010 11:03:55 AM PST by rbmillerjr (We knew the Romney RINO hordes were coming....It's on.)
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To: ansel12
The point that you seem unable to understand is that the second part of your post 124 was a ridiculous comparison.

Your holding on to Pence as winning a straw vote is silly too, straw votes mean nothing or Ron Paul would be President forever. Your claim that DeMint has equal or even better support than Palin is absurd also, DeMint is popular, but not in the Presidential standings.

The weird strategy is your obsession with that throwaway statement of Palin’s, what are you going to do, sue her in court, because you claim that now she cannot run for President because you prefer one of the guys, and that your lawyer can prove that they fulfill Governor Palin’s internal vision of who can fulfill her goals for President?

The point was that your comment was very ironic. Let it go now.

I merely pointed out that it's absurd to suggest that Pence or DeMint can't win and that based on her own comments, she would not run if they did. Given her negatives, they would have a better chance to win the key independent and moderate democrat vote. To clarify, I also said that DeMint had equal or better support within the TEA Party and among Conservatives. You haven't been paying attention if you think otherwise. The straw poll that Pence won mattered in as much as it was a social conservative vote and a good indication that he can appeal to them, key constituents to Palin's base.

What is weird is your insistence that Conservatives shouldn't hold their candidates to their word, or that honesty and integrity don't matter to Conservatives. Good luck with that strategy...

155 posted on 11/23/2010 11:34:31 AM PST by FTJM
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To: rbmillerjr

Quit trolling, it’s gotten tiresome.


156 posted on 11/23/2010 11:37:36 AM PST by FTJM
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To: FTJM

LOL...ok PDS boy...you’re not a troll.

You are insane and you will go off the deep end here in “Palin Country”


157 posted on 11/23/2010 11:40:10 AM PST by rbmillerjr (We knew the Romney RINO hordes were coming....It's on.)
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To: rbmillerjr

All you have is vitriol at this point. Instead of trolling, you might try to have some intellectual honesty and actually contribute to the Conservative conservation. The site will be better for it.


158 posted on 11/23/2010 11:48:15 AM PST by FTJM
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To: FTJM

“All you have is vitriol at this point.”

I’m not the one going from Palin thread to Palin thread making up vitriolic lies...you are lol.

“Instead of trolling”

The Trolling belongs to you, as you are well aware.

“you might try to have some intellectual honesty and actually contribute to the Conservative conservation.”

I only debate with conservatives, not the deranged.


159 posted on 11/23/2010 11:52:52 AM PST by rbmillerjr (We knew the Romney RINO hordes were coming....It's on.)
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To: rbmillerjr
I’m not the one going from Palin thread to Palin thread making up vitriolic lies...you are lol.

Ironic, you just lied.

I only debate with conservatives, not the deranged.

See previous comment about intellectual honesty.

160 posted on 11/23/2010 12:05:01 PM PST by FTJM
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