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L.A. contrail a missile launch? Retired general thinks so (op-ed)
Daily Inter Lake.com ^ | Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:00 am | Updated: 8:13 am, Sun Nov 21, 2010. | Jim Cash, retired brigadier general, U.S. Air Force

Posted on 11/21/2010 11:31:21 PM PST by TigersEye

Sliding silently under the mud, muck and fog of national politics, is a current event that makes Bill Clinton’s excursion into the world of elderly sex look tame in comparison. This time the nation’s national security is truly threatened in my opinion, and it involves not only a weak president with limited problem-solving ability, but leadership at the highest levels in the Pentagon as well. The American people would do well to demand a full investigation by an unbiased group, and let the chips fall where they may.

I am referring to the “missile shot” taken off the California coast recently, and the lame response by NORAD, the Pentagon and the White House itself.

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In my opinion, there is absolutely no doubt that what was captured on video off the coast of California was a missile launch, was clearly observed by NORAD, assessed by a four-star general within minutes, and passed to the president immediately. That is the way the system works, and heads fall if there is a failure. This is one of the most important tenets of national defense and its sole purpose of protecting the American people. Even the smallest failure in this system gets intense scrutiny at the highest level.

Now, the question that still must be answered is why NORAD’s muted response was simply that North America was not threatened, and later our government approved the lame excuse that the picture recorded was simply an aircraft leaving a contrail. This decision was made far above the four-star level, and because the system in place demands it, was made by the president himself.

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KEYWORDS: californiamissile; chat; contrail; jetcontrail; missile; missilemystery; mysterymissile; tinfoilbrigade; ups902
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To: JohnKinAK
Retired Generals are a dime a dozen, it’s the internet contrail experts that are few.

lol. I swear there must be people getting paid to trash the missle theory. There are tons of them on FR.

21 posted on 11/21/2010 11:59:01 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: TigersEye

“I think that’s part of the problem. Not many people do know a lot about these matters.”

Well, you sorta nuked that point. (IOW, yup, well said.)


22 posted on 11/22/2010 12:01:30 AM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: TigersEye
What really drives me crazy are all the non-military types that assume that the military is obligated to tell secrets and answer any question. I had a Top Secret clearance and am here to tell anyone that is not how it works.
23 posted on 11/22/2010 12:03:30 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: TigersEye
The funny thing about this story is that I was pretty close to completely believing the contrail version of the story, but the hyperventilation from a very vocal group of FR posters have made me reconsider. Ask some honest questions and get shouted down with "missile truther". That stinks pretty badly.

FWIW, there are still some aspects of the missile version of the story that are hard to swallow; the largest for me being the apparent complete lack of military response in the area. Funny how it's OK to question the missile theory, but you question the contrail theory and you're right into tinfoil territory according to some folks.

24 posted on 11/22/2010 12:04:25 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: TigersEye
Found his Air Force Biography. Just reading it now. Born in 1939. So he is now 71.

BRIGADIER GENERAL JIMMY L. CASH

25 posted on 11/22/2010 12:05:02 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Nitehawk0325; D-fendr
Yes, we do need answers and we should demand them. Last night D-fendr and I came to the following agreement on this although we disagree on what it was.

To: TXnMA; TigersEye; UCANSEE2; justa-hairyape; Conservative Tsunami; Tommyjo; All

FWIW:

1) Glenn Beck has picked on this topic, HotAir has picked up on Beck’s report. It’s bumped the story.

2) KCBS has released all of about 12 seconds of video, mislabeled as “raw,” to start this brouhaha. And clammed up since.

3) No matter which side you take on the event, you want to see the whole shoot, hopefully along with data on the location, altitude, timecode, camera, lens.

4) Glenn Beck has a bigger megaphone than we do.

5) Beck might be able to get the station to release the video.

—— What if we all contacted Beck with that request in the context of media malfeasance in not providing all the evidence they have?

125 posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:36:11 AM by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)

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To: D-fendr

I’m there. We need to know if the media is withholding vital information or yanking our chains. Either way they ought to be held accountable.

126 posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:39:17 AM by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)

We haven't gotten any traction on that idea yet but we sure ought to demand answers. From KCBS and from the government.

26 posted on 11/22/2010 12:06:19 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Just mythoughts
The plane advocates also use the same rationale of protecting 'gravitas' because to do otherwise would make one a kook/conspiracy theorists of the same profile they consider the 'birthers'....

I've noticed that common thread as well.

27 posted on 11/22/2010 12:07:15 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: mmercier

Well, if it was supposed to be a secret US military launch it was ill-conceived to launch it where thousands (if not millions) could inadvertently observe. They just did a military cargo launch out of Kodiak Island this week and gave public notice; and in Kodiak Island maybe at most few hundred people might accidentally observe.


28 posted on 11/22/2010 12:07:15 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: thecabal

Still many unanswered questions. That is why we are still trying to discuss the issue openly. You could write an entire book just about all the possibilities. Heck a series of books. Too busy myself, and I have already wrote a few. No money in books nowadays.


29 posted on 11/22/2010 12:07:44 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: TigersEye

That’s an excellent idea. Why the tape embargo if “the science is settled”?


30 posted on 11/22/2010 12:09:18 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: higgmeister
What really drives me crazy are all the non-military types that assume that the military is obligated to tell secrets and answer any question. I had a Top Secret clearance and am here to tell anyone that is not how it works.

In fact, exposing classified information can be a bit bad for one's career.

31 posted on 11/22/2010 12:10:20 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle
Not nearly as impressive as "government contrail expert"

Yep. Can't beat that cirrus cloud "global warming" scientist. LOL.

Not worth arguing when the flight 800 animators come out of the woodwork. It is a shame the original footage is not available for download. A great deal can be gleaned from the color change in the oxidizer.
32 posted on 11/22/2010 12:13:41 AM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: higgmeister

I know. Years ago I had a friend who was a paper pusher on the Coral Sea. He saw very little that was even close to classified but he wouldn’t talk about certain things if you water boarded him. That was probably ten years after he served so I would guess whatever he saw was old outdated info by then but he wasn’t going there.


33 posted on 11/22/2010 12:18:21 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
Very good sentiment. Unfortunately my first notification that there was going to be a controversy about the video editing, was when the poster made a post to that long thread that he had video evidence that would 'blow their whole scam apart'. Not what you would expect to hear from someone doing an unbiased investigation. Then they pinged me three or four times. Did not even look. Feel like Martin Sheen going up that river in Nam to find Brando just muttering, the horror.

Demanding all the tape is a good idea. We need to pinpoint launch point, track direction, speed, and maximum altitude. Then we might get a rough approximation of splash point. Heck, even a slim chance we might recover some of it, assuming they have not recovered it already.

34 posted on 11/22/2010 12:23:11 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: thecabal

I don’t know. I don’t see how CBS could make any more money on it. If they don’t know what it really was then they’re withholding vital information from the public. If they do know that it wasn’t a missile (I don’t believe that for a minute) and they cut the tape to make it look like one (I don’t see that) then they are irresponsibly frightening the public. Either way they aren’t acting responsibly. Maybe a Senator should recommend yanking their broadcast license.


35 posted on 11/22/2010 12:27:43 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Cementjungle
In fact, exposing classified information can be a bit bad for one's career.

Once took a computer service call at one of the Lockheed Skunk Works buildings. Up in Burbank somewhere, I think. They had a sign on the Emergency Exit door in the lobby. Basically said - Unauthorized use of this door by an employee during a non-emergency will result in the termination of the employee. Did not even ask what they meant by termination. Assuming job loss, but after seeing that, I thought, these guys is serious.

36 posted on 11/22/2010 12:29:33 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: TigersEye

It looked just like an SLBM. The question is which nation’s sub fired that SLBM right off the southern California coastline?


37 posted on 11/22/2010 12:32:14 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never "free")
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To: justa-hairyape
I can only suggest that the "debate" we've been having here has run any useful course it had. Now I think it would be better to all demand some answers.

From KCBS; the full unedited tape, uploaded to the internet in the highest quality form possible, exact time stamps, coordinates of the helo and altitude, compass direction the camera was pointing and when and if they alerted the Navy.

From the government; well, that's spitting in the wind probably.

38 posted on 11/22/2010 12:35:19 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: justa-hairyape
They had a sign on the Emergency Exit door in the lobby. Basically said - Unauthorized use of this door by an employee during a non-emergency will result in the termination of the employee. Did not even ask what they meant by termination. Assuming job loss, but after seeing that, I thought, these guys is serious.

lol. In either case, it's not optimal.

39 posted on 11/22/2010 12:38:07 AM PST by Cementjungle
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Mystery Missile Launch Seen off Calif. Coast

"CBS station KFMB put in calls to the Navy and Air Force Monday night about the striking launch off the coast of Los Angeles, which was easily visible from the coast, but the military has said nothing about the launch."

They say they reported it but they don't say if it was immediately or how long after the taping of it.

40 posted on 11/22/2010 12:40:18 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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