Posted on 11/21/2010 11:31:21 PM PST by TigersEye
Sliding silently under the mud, muck and fog of national politics, is a current event that makes Bill Clinton’s excursion into the world of elderly sex look tame in comparison. This time the nation’s national security is truly threatened in my opinion, and it involves not only a weak president with limited problem-solving ability, but leadership at the highest levels in the Pentagon as well. The American people would do well to demand a full investigation by an unbiased group, and let the chips fall where they may.
I am referring to the “missile shot” taken off the California coast recently, and the lame response by NORAD, the Pentagon and the White House itself.
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In my opinion, there is absolutely no doubt that what was captured on video off the coast of California was a missile launch, was clearly observed by NORAD, assessed by a four-star general within minutes, and passed to the president immediately. That is the way the system works, and heads fall if there is a failure. This is one of the most important tenets of national defense and its sole purpose of protecting the American people. Even the smallest failure in this system gets intense scrutiny at the highest level.
Now, the question that still must be answered is why NORAD’s muted response was simply that North America was not threatened, and later our government approved the lame excuse that the picture recorded was simply an aircraft leaving a contrail. This decision was made far above the four-star level, and because the system in place demands it, was made by the president himself.
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Haven’t you heard?
The newest forms of passenger jet aircraft produce even more anomalous contrails, which confuse the uninformed. The more modern contrails are further identifiable by a blinding flash of light and hurricane to gale force winds accompanying them towards the end of their flight pattern.
These will soon be everyday occurrences and shouldn’t be questioned by the populous observers as it will only induce wild speculation on the veracity of national security policy.
Nothing to see here. Move along. /s
Probably because it is GEOMETRICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to provide a video shot at sunset where a very low sun illuminates a high-altutude airline contrail from the side instead of from beneath.
Yeah that's a hard decision...:oP
When I first viewed the video, I tend to discard the contrail theory and favor the missile theory.
If I only view the first portion of the video, I could buy the contrail explanation.
Appearances are of a missile for the full video.
Next valid counter explanation is that if this had been a significant missile, such an ICBM or SLBM, then the velocity was way too slow for such a missile. I haven’t seen the evidence of duration of flight, velocity of the object, nor trajectory to better quantify those explanations, but they appear sound questions.
Next, if the missile theory is still valid, and not a US source, then all descriptors of the event need to be well documented. If this is a 3rd world nation power play, it might be a new weapon system, perhaps not even a significant threat, but even weapons with poor guidance systems, like the WWII BuzzBomb/V2 rockets, still had significant psychological effect with minimal destructive effects.
Lastly, this event did appear to coincide with other questionable foreign policy moves which are consistent with a POTUS and staff mobilizing an armada, speeding out of harm’s way, using diplomacy as a cover for unparalleled foreign expenses on a week long jaunt, with little more than egg on the face exposure in international foreign relations.
It has been the socialist agenda for the past 2 decades to ignore and condone the proliferation of strategic nuclear devices amongst isolated third ranked players. Even if this is not the case in this situation, how much longer before such an event does occur?
No kidding...they get WAY too angry and are way too invested in being right~
THIS is what a stage separation looks like.
Pit, you might be misreading Old Missileer's take. I have read all of his comments on this event (there aren't very many because as he said, he's kind of opted out of the discussion) and referred to them often for insight. He has not said "plane." He has said that IF the cameraman saw an item that created a plume for a duration of ten minutes, then it could not have been a missile, and therefore must have been a plane. Here's what he posted a few days ago on a different thread:
I have yet to see a ten minute clip of the object. If there is a video showing ten minutes of plume then it was an aircraft contrail. Missiles do not have a burn time of over five minutes at the most and that is for three stages. A Minuteman missile has a burn time of just over two minutes before PSRE separation. Trident is about the same and I would love to see the size of a missile that can burn for ten minutes and why there would be a need for that long of a burn.
Really? Why is that?
Because light is directional?
Here’s the funniest part, IMHO.
It is very likely that this plane was in the process of descending, during part of the video.
The ‘illusion’ of a plane coming at you from the horizon is that it is ‘rising’, when in fact it is in level flight.
The plane will eventually ‘disappear’ because the contrail disappears when the plane goes to a lower altitude, and the plane is so small, it’s very hard to pick out.
If this is the case, why are they not providing video of them on a daily basis, so we can see the similarities as in the Southern California case?
You'd think we would have been inundated with similar video...daily...hourly, which depict simple contrails appearing as missiles.
I'd like to see this video.
Probably because it is GEOMETRICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to provide a video shot at sunset where a very low sun illuminates a high-altutude airline contrail from the side instead of from beneath.
Uh, you realize Southern Californian is lined with mountain peaks in excess of 7,000 feet, in addition the fact that in this region at ANY given time there are probably a dozen news coppers and fixed wing aircraft in the sky...
You do understand this, right?
The biggest factor has just been mentioned. The helicopter is a MOVING PLATFORM, and therefore injects ‘movement’ into the video that is artificial.
I trust Jim Cash.
I lived in So Calif from 1964 to 1993.
Saw lots of static tests done by Rocketdyne in Box Canyon at the west end of the San Fernando Valley where I lived.
The area where this ‘contrail’ came from is at sea—there are no ‘airport runways’ out there as far as anyone I know in So Calif thinks.
This was a missle—probably from a submarine.
China? N Korea? Iran? Who knows, but we are being fed a total line of CRAP by this administration.
Gee... sudden changes of altitude. Probably because it keep disappearing from view, and they had to ‘chase’ the setting sunlight to get it to appear. The ‘cuts’ in the edited/short version video are to hide the ‘lost sight’ periods.
Eventually, it would make the plane look like it was ‘rising’ straight up, and going fast, and making erratic movements similar to a missile flight, due to the movements of the helicopter.
Nah.... they wouldn’t just try to use all that to slip a fast one to us. Not CBS. Have they ever lied to us before?
Just two things about your stage shot - it's a large rocket, with several motors, and it's a close-up shot of the separation. Atlas or Titan. To grab for "apples and oranges" is a sure sign you know your fraud is mighty thin.
Also, please provide your source that describes a Royal Navy Chinook variant. I am unaware of the RN ever using the Chinook, much less as an ASW bird. I also can’t seem to find any mention of it on the web. Even at Airliners.net, there are almost 700 pictures of RAF Chinooks and not a single photo of an RN Chinook.
Given the info we have available, “I don’t know what it is for sure” is the best answer.
I can’t say 100% it wasn’t a missile, or was.
I can’t say 100% it wasn’t a plane, or was.
The ‘evidence’ is too skimpy, and looks manipulated.
Granted, if contrails that looked just like missiles! were even remotely common, you'd figure there's be plenty of footage by now. That said: the SUN alone will prevent such a duplicate "illusion." Elevation of the mountains and numbers of choppers and planes in the sky have zero relationship to the directional lighting cast by a west-setting sun on clouds, high-altitude airplane contrails, and missile plumes.
The angle of the sun -- very low and to the west -- tells the viewer that the object in the video is heading northwest. If it was a high altitude straight-and-level contrail, the BOTTOM of it would be illuminated by a sun below the horizon. Because it is a vertical plume veering northwest, the SIDE of it, which is heading AWAY from the viewpoint of the camera, is illuminated from below the horizon. The majority of the plume as seen in the video is in shadow because the sun is on the other side of it. Not beneath it, but on the other side of it. It's vertical, not horizontal.
Because most of the public viewership (of CBS at a minimum) are suckers, and will believe anything they broadcast. Because we don't believe that the NEWS would lie.
They've only been lying since Gutenberg invented the printing press.
Well, at least you are employed.
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