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TSA Looks at 'G-Rated' Body Scanners Amid International Security Headaches
ABC News ^ | 11/19/2010 | Sherisse Pham

Posted on 11/19/2010 12:07:00 PM PST by cll

Critics have blasted the Transportation Security Administration for putting passengers through graphic body scanners and enhanced pat-downs -- but technology and political pressure may move American scanners in a more G-rated direction even as foreign countries are getting more invasive.

The TSA is testing new X-ray technology that will show a "stick figure" instead of a passenger's full- body image. Viewers on the other end of the X-ray would see anomalies -- anything from a suicide vest to a cell phone on a belt clip -- highlighted on the anatomically-ambiguous figure.

No images were available to illustrate what the new scan would look like.

But despite the debate over body searches and scans here in America -- illustrated by Rep. Ron Paul, R- Texas, introducing the American Traveler Dignity Act Wednesday to protect against "physical and emotional abuse" at the hands of TSA employees -- the United States is not the only country employing unpopular security methods.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: gropegate; tsa; tsapervs; tsascanners
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Keep up the pressure!


1 posted on 11/19/2010 12:07:04 PM PST by cll
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To: cll; Peter from Rutland

This, I’d be willing to do.


2 posted on 11/19/2010 12:10:17 PM PST by Lazamataz (Pelosi: Like a rapist, PROUD of their handiwork.)
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To: cll

Frankly I don’t care if they get to see an image of me naked. Even the most perved out TSA drone will get bored after seeing a few hundred a day.

What I do care about it the radiation, esp from multiple exposures. And I am not willing to be molested as the alternative.

So no flying for me until this is resolved.


3 posted on 11/19/2010 12:12:20 PM PST by piytar (There is evil. There is no such thing as moderate evil. Never forget.)
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To: cll

They were talking about scanners years ago when these things were in the test and development stage that would show a random shape for the body and reveal only items of interest. That didn’t happen because they were really only trying to deflect criticism. Same thing now. They’re just kicking the can down the road until they get us sufficiently acclimated to being groped. I frankly don’t believe them.


4 posted on 11/19/2010 12:14:56 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: piytar
So no flying for me until this is resolved

I live on an island one thousand miles from the U.S. mainland so I don't have much of a choice. The only alternative is to book a partial cruise to Miami.

5 posted on 11/19/2010 12:15:59 PM PST by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: cll
The simple solution is to make the airlines certify the safety of ALL passengers to whom they sell tickets. Let the airlines screen passengers using any method they want to use. Why should the public have to pay to screen every last terrorist the airlines willingly sell tickets to over the Internet? The burden of assuring safe passengers should fall squarely on the income statement of the airlines. They provide the weapons of mass destruction and then sell tickets without any limitation to terrorists... Think about this...
6 posted on 11/19/2010 12:18:52 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

If you have a pilot with a gun and you go through metal detector, that should be all a person needs. And they should profile like Israel does. We would be safe. What isn’t safe is the cargo, it doesn’t get screened....dumb, dumb, dumb.


7 posted on 11/19/2010 12:23:38 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: cll

Barry and Janet “feel your pain”

I dont want either one of them to feel my anything...


8 posted on 11/19/2010 12:24:02 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: piytar

I wouldn’t mind pat downs & naked xrays either - after exhaustive profiling of middle easterners and muslims in general proves to be ineffective.


9 posted on 11/19/2010 12:24:49 PM PST by skeeter
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To: piytar
What I do care about is the radiation...

Exactly. I think that these scanners will ultimately become the "Agent Orange" of this generation. When people associated with them (Flight crews and those agents who work mere feet away form these things) start turning up sick or worse, these scanners will be a multi-million dollar closets.

Sniffers are the only technology that would have a prayer to stop bombs. Otherwise; Profile.

10 posted on 11/19/2010 12:27:30 PM PST by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: cll

I have to wonder how much money we are spending on all of these trial and error machines????


11 posted on 11/19/2010 12:27:54 PM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it is perfectly ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: cll

I have to wonder how much money we are spending on all of these trial and error machines????


12 posted on 11/19/2010 12:28:02 PM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it is perfectly ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: Lazamataz
Me too, heck even something like this:

Unisex. TSA doesn't really need to know the gender of the person in the scanner.

13 posted on 11/19/2010 12:37:59 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: cll

Why is this meaningful? Whatever process (algorithm) used to overlay pertinent images onto a stick figure can be reversed to recover the original image. It isn’t like the bits obtained from the scan were never part of the input.

The NappyOne


14 posted on 11/19/2010 12:41:03 PM PST by NappyOne
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To: MsLady

1) Train and arm pilots to defend the flight deck
2) Train and arm prior pilots, military and police personnel and let them fly armed as an on flight security detail
3) Basic metal scanners
4) Bomb dogs to sniff passengers after they pas the metal scanners
5) Profile strange behaviour such as tickets purchased in cash, One way tickets purchased by foreign nationals for extra screening
6) Save the most invasive techniques for the folks singled out for extra screening


15 posted on 11/19/2010 12:45:54 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: cll
Any machine that can scan can detect differences in materials. Any machine capable of creating an image is capable of displaying only those parts of an image that are questionable on an outline template for purposes of location and follow-up.

The machine is far less likely to miss something out of the ordinary than are TSA employees. Hence, it is absolutely absurd that we have people looking at these scans. The invasion of privacy they constitute is completely unnecessary.

Finally, is there any doubt that the next level will be bombs inserted into bodily cavities? There is no way for a back-scatter machine to detect that at all.

16 posted on 11/19/2010 1:01:01 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: cll

Understood. Also, many business people simply have no choice but to fly.

That said, if everyone who does have a choice chooses not to fly, the economic pressure would force a change to something more sane. IMHO, of course.


17 posted on 11/19/2010 1:01:45 PM PST by piytar (There is evil. There is no such thing as moderate evil. Never forget.)
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To: taxcontrol

Exactly, this is insane and abusive. So while our government is abusing it’s citizens the terrorist will figuring out another way to kill. Like say, oh I don’t know, CROSSING THE MEXICAN BORDER maybe? Putting something in cargo through Fed-ex or UPS.


18 posted on 11/19/2010 1:11:16 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: piytar
Frankly I don’t care if they get to see an image of me naked.

You probably don't have a 13-year-old daughter, so let's put it this way: do you not care that someone else's 13-year-old daughter would be subjected to the humiliating, dehumanizing experience of being photographed naked by a government employee?

Do you think she has no right to refuse, if she wishes to board an airplane?

How do you feel about the 4th Amendment reference to probable cause?

The "I have no secrets to conceal" argument is lame.

You might as well throw out the 5th Amendment while you're at it.

Some things are inviolate.

19 posted on 11/19/2010 1:13:59 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Starve the beast. Save the liver!)
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To: taxcontrol
One more thing:

7) Profile, profile, profile!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

20 posted on 11/19/2010 1:26:53 PM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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