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RAW VIDEO: Mysterious Contrail Off Calif. (Another "CBS-Gate"?)
CBS Los Angeles website ^ | November 9, 2010 5:29 PM | Gil Leyvas & CBS Editors

Posted on 11/19/2010 10:10:35 AM PST by TXnMA

RAW VIDEO: Mysterious Contrail Off Calif.

November 9, 2010 5:29 PM

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Video posted on the CBS Los Angeles website shows an object flying through the evening sky Monday that left a large contrail, or vapor trail. While cruising the skies Monday at sunset, Sky2 captured on video what appears to be a missile making its way up into the sky from over the Pacific Ocean off the California coast.

Pentagon officials were stumped by the event. “Nobody within the Department of Defense that we’ve reached out to has been able to explain what this contrail is, where it came from,” Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said.

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CBS KCBS/KCAL Website

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KEYWORDS: californiamissile; cbsdeception; cbsvideogate; chat; contrail; contrailvideo; herewegoagain; missile; missilemystery; missilevideo; mysterymissile; tinfoilbrigade
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To: TXnMA; D-fendr; Mr. Silverback; All
With all due respect, you may believe you're provided an "incontrovertible" case supporting your theory, but there are still intangibles and logistics not explained or excluded.

There are other factors, such as perceived trajectory of the missile/UFO, optical illusions, varied "professional" opinion and observation, and the questionable credibility of CBS - as well as the consideration the 0bama Administration is itself an untrustworthy source of clarification.

That said, I appreciate your efforts. You may will be correct.

IMO, it is essential that KCBS clarify the issue by making their their entire footage available w/time print. If they don't, the responsibility of who's "credibility" is on the line is theirs - NOT Beck's, and the weight of your theory/"proof" gains more plausibility.

141 posted on 11/21/2010 5:08:42 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami (0bama - All the compassion of a crocodile, wisdom of a crack addict, and ethics of the devil himself)
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To: TXnMA
The answer is that the object was coming toward CA -- not out to sea. That's because it was an incoming MD-11 flight from Hawaii to Ontario, California...

The trajectory of the "flight" was a bit odd, no?

142 posted on 11/21/2010 5:12:30 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami (0bama - All the compassion of a crocodile, wisdom of a crack addict, and ethics of the devil himself)
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To: TXnMA

You know that conspiracy theorists will never concede that they are wrong. When proven wrong, they just claim that you are part of the evil doers in the conspiracy.

They need to believe it was a missile, they can’t use logic and reason. And, because I disagreed with someone, he wanted the feds to arrest me for treason! You can’t reason with someone like that, delusional thinking........


143 posted on 11/21/2010 5:15:19 PM PST by Sto Zvirat
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To: Conservative Tsunami; Mr. Silverback
It's a plane; not at all a missile plunging deep into the throes of the infinitely wide TIME DILATION FACTOR.

No, you can't film the passage of a rocket after it's gone out of sight! On the other hand, you can film the flight of an airplane for many minutes.

144 posted on 11/21/2010 5:28:11 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Conservative Tsunami

Nicely put.


145 posted on 11/21/2010 5:28:32 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: muawiyah; Conservative Tsunami

See Conservative Tsunami’s post 141. He’s one of the folks willing to look ayt evidence rationally and should be treated as such.


146 posted on 11/21/2010 5:31:53 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Mr. Silverback

Thank you, Sir.


147 posted on 11/21/2010 5:36:01 PM PST by Conservative Tsunami (0bama - All the compassion of a crocodile, wisdom of a crack addict, and ethics of the devil himself)
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To: UCANSEE2; D-fendr
There are standard tables somewhere that tell you how far away the horizon is from one meter, two meters, three meters, etc. above sea level. So far we've had Freepers report that the horizon is 42 miles away from 1500 ft elevation and 62 miles away from 2500 ft elevation. The 35 miles business seems to be derived from something other than a table ~ more like a piece of common knowledge among folks who live in the LA area and go boating out to or around the islands.

You can use that information plus the apparent width of the "blast off" (that's claimed ~ use the cloud furthest out on the horizon that seems to be the base of the contrail) to figure out how many feet wide the rocket (if it was a rocket) had to be.

Even accounting for the 2X lens the CBS guy used, the rocket had to be about one mile wide at its base ~ if it left that cloud.

You don't need to use anything more complex than the sort of rectangular computation method developed by the Egyptians. They used it for thousands of years to successfully and quickly resurvey their fields after the annual Nile inundations.

You could use trigonometry, but I thought something basic and literally right out of the stone age might be more appropriate for converting the missile crowd away from their false path to satori.

148 posted on 11/21/2010 5:38:43 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Conservative Tsunami
Maybe the subject could be: “Where’s the full Missile Video?”
DONE.

Done also. Sent to Stu and Glenn. Thanks..

149 posted on 11/21/2010 5:51:11 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
I've contacted Cargo Law and Cargo News to see if they can retrieve the footage from the 4th November.

The screencap is from the following

Link to Cargo Law

150 posted on 11/21/2010 5:53:03 PM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Conservative Tsunami
The question was asked how you could photograph something that was already gone and away.

In my old office we had an individual who always wanted the furniture moved in such a way that it was clear she thought of it as bendable.

Same here. If something is gone it is gone. If it's still around it is still around.

Actually, the question arose in the first thread ~ people who knew rockets said "Hey, that's not a rocket. They are entirely too fast to hang around for 10 minutes". Folks who didn't really know rockets started talking about Stage 1 and Stage 2 somehow bending the rules of nature in some perverse nature making it possible for us to see a rocket for 10 minutes or so.

151 posted on 11/21/2010 5:53:55 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: TXnMA

No problem. Thanks for posting the great analysis and matching up the video with Rick Warren’s images.


152 posted on 11/21/2010 5:57:40 PM PST by Tommyjo
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To: TXnMA
Posting what I saw frame by frame in chronological order. Starting in the third frame you see a new image fading in to the left of the main image. Frames 4 and 5 show both images clearly. Frame 6 shows only the image on the left, while the original image is gone.

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Just throwing it out there. I don't know the technical terms, but I know what I see and I see what you are saying.

153 posted on 11/21/2010 7:23:02 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: TXnMA
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
154 posted on 11/21/2010 7:37:05 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: TXnMA
Brilliant post bud. Kudos.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

155 posted on 11/22/2010 3:06:21 AM PST by The Comedian (I enjoy progressives, especially in a light cream sauce.)
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Nice work. Taking the mystery out of the video was the last straw. Despite the copious amounts of other information, presented openly and reproducibly, they kept clinging to the video (assuming it would never be able to be fully vetted).

Despite obvious things in the video (why did the missile plume get darker at altitude rather than brighter, why could no other corroborating photos or videos support the claimed trajectory, etc), it was their magic bullet. Well, no more.

I have never seen more close-minded "experts" surround such weakly supported theory (the alleged "missile" theory). I mean, I do understand why they see what they see:
- The angle in the video does create the illusion of both a NW and a NE course
- The "spiraling"
- The flare

Yes, those do appear to be the hallmarks of a missile, but they also are the characteristics of a contrail. As time progressed, more and more evidence supported the contrail theory, while only the video itself, if your had tunnel vision, partially supported the missile theory.

My favorite retort which illustrates the strange narrow mindedness:

Get off your high horse, dude, making all your demands of plots and correlations, etc., as if they would prove a thing -- see the contrailscience page of how such things are so great at creating illusions over truth.

To what end? What would a trajectory prove? Nothing. You want reproducible science, go reproduce the phenomenon of a commercial airliner headed for Phoenix OR the latest, a cargo plane headed for an airport only 40 miles east of LAX, that does what that "airliner" did in that video.

(Apparently they dismiss the webcam image of a contrail 24 hours later as photoshopped, etc). No matter what evidence you present to these people, it is invalid, photoshopped or faked.

Ah well. Thank you for your footwork.

156 posted on 11/22/2010 8:03:15 AM PST by lbahneman
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To: UCANSEE2

“Show your doubter the paper, hold it up for about 5 seconds and ask them what it says. They will repeatedly state it says PARIS IN THE SPRING.”

One of my friends showed me that when we were kids and I remember getting it wrong. I think I even read it two or three times! It’s funny how the brain sometimes makes a snap decision then refuses to accept contrary evidence even when it’s right in front of you.

I’m willing to consider that I’m wrong about this too. If only someone would make the missile argument that doesn’t think GPS and satellite imagery are the in the domain of the voodoo priest. I believe there was some brief mention of mathematics being less a science than an art.


157 posted on 11/22/2010 8:50:02 PM PST by james500
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To: TXnMA; lbahneman

Thank you for your effort. It’s good to have this heavily documented for more reasonable folks who may be undecided.

One side says, “Take my word for it. I know more than you”.

The other says, “Don’t take my word for it. Here’s the data and you can put it through whatever tests you want in order to make up your own mind.”

Which do you think the casual reader will respond more favorable to?


158 posted on 11/22/2010 9:00:19 PM PST by james500
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To: TXnMA
Some links to images shot from Hermosa Beach on the 8th November. The first one shot at 20mm focal length shows the true perspective of this contrail. Other contrails are also visible.

Link to Hermosa Beach image 1

Link to Hermosa Beach image 2

Link to Hermosa Beach image 3

159 posted on 11/24/2010 7:03:44 AM PST by Tommyjo
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