Posted on 11/18/2010 8:44:23 AM PST by FS11
"Not only are these porno scanners a gross violation of individual privacy," said boycott co-founder George Donnelly, "they're also a threat to the health of millions of passengers and ineffective as well. The goal of the demonstrations is to urge Americans to exercise their legal right to 'opt out' of the scan."
If you have to fly on November 24, We Won't Fly urges you to opt out of the new scanners for your own health and privacy. Say "I opt out!" Be prepared for delays and intimate TSA "patdowns." If you're not flying on November 24, We Won't Fly urges you to tell your friends, family and community members who are flying. Organizers of local meetups can list their events on our nationwide map at http://WeWontFly.com/opt-out-day.
As University of California scientists noted earlier this year, the airport scanners may pose a serious health risk. "Our overriding concern is the extent to which the safety of this scanning device has been adequately demonstrated. This can only be determined by a meeting of an impartial panel of experts that would include medical physicists and radiation biologists at which all of the available relevant data is reviewed," they said in a letter of concern.
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(and I just got through complementing you)
See... you now claim to be able to READ MY MIND.
I said nothing of the sort.
You are making an ASSUMPTION that isn't there, just like others did with CHUZZY.
If you don't like this treatment by TSA, and want it stopped, then make it clear that what you DO WANT is for them to PROFILE, to use TACTICS that have been proven to work. That you want them to ELIMINATE this RANDOM search of only NON MUSLIM passengers.
Boycotting (by a very small group , I might say) of the airlines, and Screaming "Don't grope me bro", isn't going to be very effective, if we don't make clear what WE DO WANT.
No. I am saying if they don't agree, they should provide, and are free to provide, rebuttal. If you don't like the debate, you are free to say so, or log off. Pretty simple.
Or that FR should be open for debate except for the debate that the owners choose to zot?
Yes. That is the RIGHT of the owner.
So you 'read in' to Chuzzlewit's comment that he was saying it was OK for ANYONE to touch a person, or child, INAPPROPRIATELY?
I see it being a case more of people being angered (and rightly so) over this whole TSA body search and taking out their anger on the first person who makes an unclear, and very brief comment.
So, do you think that boycotting the airlines to try and get them to stop ALL such searches will be very effective in protecting passengers?
I agree with you because I don't see this 'boycott' thing really doing any good. It is WHO they choose to pat down, now HOW that is the problem.
If I want to fly on a commercial airline, especially one coming back from overseas, and I give the Agents some reason to be suspicious, then I would not object to a 'pat-down'.
HOWEVER, the idea that I will be RANDOMLY selected, and MUSLIMS will be categorically excluded, I do not accept.
Once again, you are trying to put 'words in my mouth' that I didn't say(type).
They should be searching passengers who have given them cause to be searched. Not randomly picking women or babies to search.
As I said before, how many bombs have they found on these moms and toddlers who were RANDOMLY picked?
We seem to be in agreement, yet you continue to argue with me and put words in my mouth I didn't say. Why?
Well, it might surprise to to learn that normal people don't like being touched by strangers in certain places on their body, especially it is totally and completely unnecessary.
this is mass hysteria.
There is mass hysteria all right, but it's not coming from the people who refuse to be groped or irradiated for no good reason.
The hysteria is coming from the TSA and their idiot enablers who seem to think such gross invasions of privacy are somehow going to keep us safe from terrorists.
You would have a point if the new procedures are actually making you safer, but they're not.
Some of the Internet is a toilet (public accommodation).
Unfortunately, those sites aren't the ones these elected and appointed officials will try to shut down.
Chuzzlewit copied and pasted his same response to another thread about the groping done by the TSA, and my response was to him as a father. I guess I should have done it privately, but this really makes me angry, and I have a bad temper. Sorry.
No need to say ‘sorry’ to me.
But you confirm what I posted a little bit ago.
This treatment of children , and women, by TSA has ANGERED the populace. They will take their anger out on the nearest convenient target.
Many seemed to take it out on Chuzzlewit. I ‘think’ he was meaning that ADULTS should man up a little, and realize that however wrong, it is part of the game right now.
When someone asked him if he had any daughters, he(she?) said he had 2, and said, “SO WHAT”.
That is indicative that he wasn’t making the connection between his comment, and his daughters.
Where the anger should be directed is at the government, who allows this RANDOM NON-MUSLIMS ONLY searching, instead of profiling the real targets.
Of course, that’s all just my opinion, but Chuzzlewit has provided some responses indicating that he(she?) agrees with the basic premise I keep repeating.
It’s now HOW (body scan/pat-down/cavity search) people are being searched, it is WHO.
If we just fight the HOW, (which is what this DON’T GROPE ME, BRO/boycott the airlines movement is doing) then we will lose.
Ever go to a Federal Prison to visit an inmate?
Why do you think it is up to the government to declare everyone guilty until proven innocent just because they want to fly on an airplane, when the airlines are private businesses and the airplanes are private property?
I don't. The airlines need to get rid of the GOVERNMENT employees of TSA, and hire specially trained private citizens to do the job. They should quit the RANDOM selection process, especially when it excludes Muslims.
BUT, they would have to do it soon, as the FEDS are trying to change the law to make the TSA - gov't employees only, a permanent deal.
I am aware of this, and I also know that if the airPORT (not airLINE) wants to drop TSA, they have to choose from a list of approved private companies (see today's thread on the Orlando Airport requesting to drop TSA). Presumably, those private companies are approved because they will follow TSA's lead.
An idea that I have been floating to a friend of mine is a new business model for an enterprising airline.
Suppose a new airline were to form where they advertise that there are NO screenings at the airport, but in order to fly on the airline you must first register with them as a customer and submit to a background check. This would be their version of a Frequent Flyer Program -- only pre-screened pre-approved passengers may fly on their airline. Make the screening valid for, say, two years before requiring an updated background check. Hire former FBI agents or private investigators to do the background checks, and charge the customer a $100 fee to register with the airline.
Now, once you're approved, there are no screenings at the airport. Of course, this airline will need a dedicated terminal at any airport they service for this to work, but given today's situation at the airports maybe people would be willing to fly out of an alternate regional airport (like Hobby instead of IAH) in order to fly this airline.
My point is that there are other ideas that can be discussed instead of the intrusive TSA searching everyone at the airport.
-PJ
well ucansee2... thanks for standing up for me, but personally I don’t give a crap. when I fly , I want to be safe. if that means they grope me, then so what? it’s such a non-issue for me, that honestly I just am completely puzzled why people care about this. if they grope my wife or my kids, they will probably just giggle about it..I know my wife, I know my kids.. they have a healthy attitude about issues like this.
as for the fact that I filled out my profile, and I mentioned that I have daughters, and some how some folks here thought that gave them free license to call me a child molester... or made me a bad father... what the heck.I don’t care what they think, but I do think they should be ashamed of the things they said.
I am and was a good father. I paid my child support. I protected my children. I gave them happiness love and religion. they are grown now and they are both happy.
for those of you that called me a child molester or worse, a non conservative... you can go screw yourself..
It’s because I fly out of Norfolk to connecting flights, and I don’t go through security again. The only domestic airports that I return to Norfolk from are Seattle, San Diego and Newark, and I have never been patted-down or scanned at those airports.
I do when I travel to Japan.
I was just trying to make a point, and I don't consider you any kind of TROLL whatsoever. Even if I did, TROLL ZOTTING is not in my pay grade.
One thing's for sure. I know your screenname now!
I appreciate your responses, and the honesty, and your courtesy.
There is no issue for me. I can’t speak for others, can I?
I don’t consider a security pat-down to be inappropriate.
A thick-skin is almost a prerequisite for sticking with F.R.
Over the years, you would be surprised at the names I have been called. Including Child Molester.
The problem (with those other posters who reacted so emotionally) is that they have LIMITED VISION.
They can’t look beyond the ‘groping a little girl’ scenario, to see where a BOYCOTT of the airlines, and refusing to submit to body searches will lead.
It would be really nice if the airlines reacted by firing all GOVT TSA employees and hired private ones who were skilled at ferreting out the likely terrorists to search.
Since I don’t see that happening, I think that this particular ‘boycott’ is misguided, and will MISS It’s MARK.
The TSA and AIRLINES will just come up with some other outrageous, ineffective, and extremely costly way to ensure that they meet their daily production goals.
XXX amount of passengers randomly searched, 0 bombs found. Give the supervisor a bonus.
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