Posted on 11/17/2010 6:21:28 AM PST by USALiberty
A series of two-page spreads asks questions ("Have I told you that you are creative?") across from short tributes. He writes of Georgia O'Keeffe: "She helped us see big beauty in what is small: the hardness of stone and the softness of feather." His most controversial choice may be Sitting Bull, who defeated Custer at Little Bighorn: ("A Sioux medicine man who healed broken hearts and broken promises.")
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***You are about the only one here buying what you are selling regarding Chivington.***
Perhaps it is because I ended up with some books on the REAL history of the Indian wars at that time and not the pablum from the modern revisionists.
I have found that many of the “evil” indians were really not so evil and some of the “innocent Indians” were anything but innocent.
The plains Indians were divided into two groups..Those allied with the US, and those hostile to the US. We had NO WARS with those allied with us.
Fresh white scalps in a “friendly” indian village say a lot.
Now, get me started on the Washita!
Anyone who claims the white man taught the red man about war and atrocities is either a liar or a fool.....
American Indians were just as adept at slavery and savagery as any people whoever lived, all BEFORE the white man came along and dragged this country out of the stone age....
Yet an official investigation into Sand Creek, along with eyewitness testimony, refutes everything you have said about Chivington.
So I'd say you are being wilfully blind to historical reality here. This is not modern historical revisionism. These judgements were carried out shortly after Sand Creek.
You may have the last word, as trying to reason with you on this subject is about as fruitful as trying to reason with a farm animal.
I went to a variety of places, all of which taught me a great appreciation of sarcasm.
jiminycricket000.. Sir, I like the cut of your jib!
Thanks for the link, that is interesting.
So they were United States Army troops?
It’s been many years since I taught Montana History, but I remember a lecturer coming to my school and showing a military button found over 3 miles from the Battleground. He said that if National Park service said it happened this way, then, by golly all evidence was transferred to the last stand area to conform to official accounts. I’ll defer to your expertise, however, it seems you are pretty well read up on the battle of the little Bighorn. In any regard, it was the last great stand by the American plains Indian. From that point on the tribes would be systematically forced on reservations, starved, etc.
The 3rd CO Volunteers, one of the regiments involved, were hundred day volunteers, which means they certainly weren’t trained veteran soldiers.
Don’t know about other formations.
Thanks!
Yes my friend, they were barbaric, if they weren’t, then no people have been so.
***So I’d say you are being wilfully blind to historical reality here. This is not modern historical revisionism. These judgements were carried out shortly after Sand Creek.***
Ever since the army was recalled from the frontier to fight in the Civil War, the indians went on the warpath every sspring and summer, making peace in the winter. After so many settlers were murdered that summer CHIVINGTON handed it back to the indians in spades. He used the indian’s own RULES OF ENGAGEMENT against them, Spare no living thing!
The Indians could dish it out but could not take it!
The Easterners were still filled with Victorian sentiments about war , till Mathew Brady’s photos showed them the real face of WAR! And when CHIVINGTON fought the INDIANS according to their own method of warfare (Kill every living thing) the Easterners went into revulsion over it. The Army needed a scapegoat and Chivington was it! Again, Chivington NEVER backed down from what he had done.
I knew that but that link gave the impression that it was the United States Army, not a Colorado militia, something that is pretty common.
***Actually the Indian war intensified after Sand Creek. He made the situation much worse.****
How did it make the situation worse? Every warrior was required each year to “prove his worth” to the tribe and enhance his tribal status by killing, scalping, stealing from their “enemies or preceived enemies like settlers. So even if Chivington had not dished it out at Sand Creek as the Indians had been doing, the Indians would have still went on the warpath the next year as they always did, peace treaty or no peace treaty. It was built into their social structure.
As I mentioned earlier. One officer is believed to have escaped the area but was killed during that escape. His remains were never found. It’s conceivable that button came from him. I’m not familiar with its finding.
However, the Indians clothed themselves with the 7th’s uniforms. It’s also possible findings such as this, away from the scene, could as well have come from them.
If you look at the top of the map, you'll see item 21C rests outside the boundary. It's listed as "1 metal button". This MAY be what you're referring to. Obviously, there's no spacial reference to be made on how far out of the boundary it was found. But let me go over the book this is from, "Evidence and the Custer Enigma" by Jerome Greene and see what I can find. I seem to recall something mentioned, but it's been awhile. It'll be tomorrow before I can get back on this...
By whose definition?? Not just yours, I hope. I'm sure you have sources to back up your opinion...from both sides???
Oh, of course you do...silly me!
I'm sure we'd all love to know about them. Hows about sharing....you little barbarian, you!!!
Wow, that was quite a post there. Ignorant, childish, and just plain silly.
Old Hickory saw first hand the horrible atrocities committed on American civilians by Indian savages who allied themselves with the Redcoats during The Revolutionary War.
In his mind Jackson owed the Indian nothing because they picked the side they were on.
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