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Texas Considers Medicaid Withdrawal
State-Controlled NY Times ^ | Nov. 6, 2010 | Comrade EMILY RAMSHAW

Posted on 11/06/2010 6:14:22 PM PDT by USALiberty

Some Republican lawmakers — still reveling in Tuesday’s statewide election sweep — are proposing an unprecedented solution to the state’s estimated $25 billion budget shortfall: dropping out of the federal Medicaid program.

Far-right conservatives are offering that possibility in impassioned news conferences. Moderate Republicans are studying it behind closed doors. And the party’s advisers on health care policy say it is being discussed more seriously than ever, though they admit it may be as much a huge in-your-face to Washington as anything else.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: socialism; statesrights; texas
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To: MamaDearest

Here’s an idea if they don’t let us defund it, make it for married couples only. lol.


41 posted on 11/06/2010 8:08:58 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: bigredkitty1

Society DOES have an obligation to take care of it’s citizens in need, especially the sick and the starving.

YOU’LL NOTE I SAID CITIZENS...

Texas can save BILLIONS by redirecting monies going to the Feds for Medicare and CHIPS to State-run programs, simply by excluding non-citizens!

And we haven’t even mentioned the bloated Federal wonk system administering it.


42 posted on 11/06/2010 8:10:11 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: fhayek
It will be the second English civil war fought on the North America continent and the third English civil war.

While we have lots of immigrants we are still English/Irish/Scot/Welch in our way of thinking and there are two types of Englishman. There are the ruling classes who know how we should live and the rebellious classes who wish to be free of the ruling classes.

We are a stubborn, independent, and bloody people when pushed to the breaking point.

43 posted on 11/06/2010 8:11:37 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: fhayek

or the second civil war. That we would win. Nobama ain’t no Abe Lincoln.

His side would be mostly Bruthas who would have a hard time getting over mainly shootin one another, waking up at noon, smoking crack til 6, then finding some Ho’s. Foc nobama.


44 posted on 11/06/2010 8:12:41 PM PDT by dusttoyou (Let the other side get all wee-wee'd up, Foc nobama)
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To: Navy Patriot

The citizens can go to California, the non-citizens can be sent back to Mexico and Guatemala.


45 posted on 11/06/2010 8:20:11 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: tcrlaf

Exactly. If we stop rewarding them with handouts the incentive to cross the Rio Grande will be gone.


46 posted on 11/06/2010 8:28:31 PM PDT by McLynnan
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To: sarasmom
YOU do not pay jackshit for my healthcare, or lack thereof. YOU actually jacked up my cost for healthcare, because YOU ignorantly think the Doctor has an actual set price for his services. YOU don't appear to care that there is no real way to actually shop around for the best healthcare practitioner. YOU appear to be content with an arbitrary system, that YOU pay extra for, one entirely divorced from actual cost/benefit ratios.

America has the best health care system in the world. I sure as heck don't want the government monkeying with it. And I REALLY don't want it degraded by forcing a bunch of third-worlder types into s system designed to serve productive, WORKING, real Americans. NO SOCIALISM!
47 posted on 11/06/2010 8:38:14 PM PDT by USALiberty
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To: FrankR
That's the sort of thing we've got to learn to steel ourselves against. We know we're not knowinly going to allow children to suffer - we never have, it's a figment of the lefts' imagination that they use for a battering ram.

That's right! My kids never suffered because I TOOK CARE OF THEM. It's the LAZY-ASS liberals in the slums who let their kids suffer and then come to ME for a HANDOUT for their offspring. If they would get off their butts and be PRODUCTIVE then they would not NEED a hand-out.

You are RIGHT! Conservatives take care of their families and it's about time LIBERALS did the same! Why should I pay for the kids they decided to have?
48 posted on 11/06/2010 8:48:08 PM PDT by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty; sarasmom

Sarasmom isn’t calling for socialism; she’s calling for sanity!

I pay cash. Everytime I have to go into a PeaceHealth facility for a test required by my doctor, I pay a fee just for the privilege of being there. I’ve asked if any tests are necessary that I be sent somewhere else.

It ticks me off to be screwed over because I pay cash.


49 posted on 11/06/2010 8:50:21 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: USALiberty

If you couple this with a onetime state funded bus ticket, for the cut-off deadbeats, to the leftist people`s Utopian state of your choice,like the people`s democracy of Kalifornia or the worker`s utopia of New York, then this would work in more ways than one.First,it`d cut the burden on Texan tax payers AND, it`d make the arrogant liberals/socialists in their little strongholds literally put their money where their mouths are. “You REALLY believe in socialism,well then live it you pukes!”


50 posted on 11/06/2010 9:18:19 PM PDT by nomad
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To: USALiberty

HELL YES!

The only draw back is all the money Texas will end up sending to the rest of the United States subsiding their Medicare programs. But its still a choice freedom or reclaimed federal money.

That being said if the House is successful in pushing the Medicare program completely to the State level. Then this will work out splendidly.


51 posted on 11/06/2010 11:42:04 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: sourcery
"Given that, the Tea Party should make clear that ALL US Treasury debt is invalid and will NOT ever be paid back, because it was used to fund Unconstitutional expenditures, based on Unconstitutional money, and repayment was predicated on Unconstitutional tax rates."

Have you given any thought to what would happen to the world economy should America announce a default on its debt?There would be nothing left, nothing at all.

52 posted on 11/07/2010 2:08:56 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: sarasmom

Please read post 29.
If we didn’t take care of them, we could take care of you.


53 posted on 11/07/2010 2:51:40 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: Yet_Again
In general, I think that ending Medicaid is a good idea...however, without eliminating EMTALA, ending Medicaid will only result in these people showing up in Emergency Rooms as “uninsured” people entitled to the same care that Medicaid used to reimburse for...driving hospitals further into the red as they are forced by federal law to treat these folks for free.


SIMPLE to solve. Pass a law in Texas that allows (or perhaps even requires) hospitals to TURN AWAY THE DEADBEATS. Hospitals that decide to treat the deadbeats should have to PROVE that the costs are not being passed along to paying customers.
54 posted on 11/07/2010 4:15:27 AM PST by USALiberty
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To: Pontiac
Federal money also requires that the hospitals provide life saving care regardless of the ability to pay for any person walking in to the hospital.

Just plain wrong. If you cannot pay, then you should not get services. If that results in your death, well, LAZINESS has consequences. About 80% of us manage to get health insurance. The 20% who won't do it should not be our problem.
55 posted on 11/07/2010 4:22:06 AM PST by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty

***It is outrageous and IMMORAL to ask working Americans to pay for the health care of LAZY welfare recipients and their brats who share a mother but not the same fathers. Want health insurance? WORK for it!***

Welfare was supposedly established to take care of those UNABLE to work. The Bible tells us that we should take care of the poor. I agree. But Welfare is overloaded with several generations of people who have learned NOT to work. For a while, under Bush, we had a Back to Work program which got some Welfare people off the sofa and into the working world. Otherwise, we have to pay taxes to house, feed, and pay medical care for those who don’t want to work. I don’t object to Welfare if it were implemented properly. The same goes for Medicaid. The poor will always be with us, but Medicare and Medicaid, as it’s set up, will always increase the number of poor and the number of workers who pay outrageous taxes.


56 posted on 11/07/2010 4:38:23 AM PST by kitkat
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To: sarasmom

I know exactly what you’re screaming about. After thyroid cancer, I now have to have yearly blood tests done and must see my endo for thyroid meds. Between those two alone, I don’t know how I’m ever going to get ahead because the costs of both is well over $1,000 and my deductible $1,500.

My doctor wanted me to have the followup scan for cancer markers last year but I was trying to dig myself out of debt at the time. Now I’m buried again with the latest yearly appointments. On top of it all, no one can tell me how much the scanning will costs.

If the government had stayed out of this in the first place, if HMO’s and the lot hadn’t been implemented, AND market forces would have been allowed to work, (let’s also not forget tort reform) I don’t think we’d see nearly the costs we have with our doctor bills or insurance.


57 posted on 11/07/2010 4:43:48 AM PST by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: USALiberty

Damn those Texans!

How can the progressive utopia come about like we in New York have demanded when those redneck rapscallions keep throwing sand in the gears?


58 posted on 11/07/2010 4:48:13 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: USALiberty
The Heritage Foundation, a conservative research organization, estimates Texas could save $60 billion from 2013 to 2019 by opting out of Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program, dropping coverage for acute care but continuing to finance long-term care services.

Refusing to pay for acute care will not make people stop going to emergency rooms. If by law emergency rooms are forbidden from turning people away because of inability to pay, and if the state won't reimburse hospitals for treatment, then won't that cause hospitals to just drop emergency rooms?

59 posted on 11/07/2010 4:49:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: USALiberty

A nice first step in reversing the half of health care that was already socialized before Obama ever came along.


60 posted on 11/07/2010 5:02:52 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The credit goes to the citizens. So does the blame. That's the price of being the sovereign.)
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