Posted on 10/27/2010 7:23:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
American blacks vote Obama for the color of his skin. American Leftists vote O because they hope he will shaft this country more royally than anybody else has so far.
So what excuse do the Jews have? The black and the radical leftist vote O for reasons I can understand. Obama is black, even if his life experience has no relationship to the average American black person -- none at all. And Obama is a radical, so even the radicals have a reason. However, why does Obama keep has favorable standing with American Jews? It makes no sense.
With his favoritism for Muslims, by trying constantly to undermine the elected government of Israel and by constantly reaching out to a Hitler-wannabe in Iran, Obama has made it clear enough what side he's on. His friends Jodie Evans of Code Pink and Bill Ayers agitated for the Gaza flotilla that turned into a planned PR disaster for Israel. His administration supports the grotesque and shameful farce of Iran, the Sudan, and Libya sitting on the U.N. Human Rights Council. Those are genocidal, torturing, and utterly reactionary regimes. And that's just the start of Obama's bitter hatred of Israel and Western values. There's more coming -- you betcha.
American Jews are voting against their plain self-interest. They voted for someone who listened to J-Wright ranting against Jews and whites for twenty years. Wright is a race-hater, pure and simple, and he hates Whitey and the Jews. What's more, Michelle Obama is the daughter of a Chicago ward boss who grew up in that atmosphere, rife with Louis Farrakahn and the Black Muslims, J-Wright, and the ranting Father Pfleger. Michelle grew up with the Jesse Jackson family, and we know where Jesse stands. Put all that together, and you get classical Jew-hating. It's obvious to anybody who pays attention.
Obama's pal George Soros helped set up the phony front group J Street, which specializes in undermining Israel while claiming to defend it; it's classical Stalinist agitprop. Anybody could find that out. Granted that the media tried to cover it all up, but it's on the web, for goodness' sake. Use your fingers and it's right there.
Jews have the reputation of being intelligent, and academically, they often are. But Jewish smart people seem to be -- how shall I say this? -- incapable of thinking straight about politics. Once many Jews figure out what side in politics they are rooting for, they are stuck for life. No facts, no matter how persuasive, will change their minds. This is nuts. It is certainly not intelligent. In politics, American Jews seem to be idiots savant: Very bright in one part of life, but with big islands of ignorance, denial, and wishful thinking.
And yes, some of my best friends, and all that.
I can make up all kinds of imaginary reasons. Back in Europe it was the socialists and Soviets who ultimately did the most harm to the Nazis, so Eastern European Jews were drawn into that horrific maelstrom and chose the only side that wasn't systematically threatening and killing Jews. But that's historically one-sided. George Soros infamously grew up in Hungary selling the (stolen) furniture and art of the Jews who were marched to the concentration camp. Liberal Jews still admire the man.
Jews are attracted to the fantasy world of the lion lying down with the lamb. But reality tells us it hasn't happened yet, and the chances that peace will break out all over are not high. The Left constantly runs that sucker play, and American Jews fall for it. I've talked with Jewish friends, and I keep trying to figure it out. Can't they spot a cruel scam when they see it? Where is their intelligence?
The Jews in Europe had a very bad time with Catholics and Orthodox of various stripes, especially in Poland and Russia. And yet the European Enlightenment that started the liberation of Jews from the medieval ghetto was created by many Christians and some Jews. Historically, Christianity has both anti-Semitic elements and philo-Semitic ones, as the historian Paul Johnson points out in his history of the Jews. Listen to Mozart's Requiem Mass. Half the text comes from the Hebrew Bible.
A billion Muslims in the world are exposed to classic anti-Semitic hate propaganda. You can see it day by day on the MEMRI website, with straight translations from the Persian and Arab language media. Hate-Jew cartoons are all over those Islamic media. Hitler's Mein Kampf sells like hotcakes in Egypt. The Saudis sponsored a truly filthy TV series shown throughout the Arab world based on the Elders of Zion, the phony czarist anti-Jewish propaganda tale. (It features those folks with caricatured Shylock faces who are constantly plotting to take over the world, talking like Snidely Whiplash and rubbing their hand in glee while they are preparing to kill a Christian baby for Passover.) This is sleazy, nasty, hateful, and moronic stuff. Arab audiences in Egypt and Iran just love it. They are mental throwbacks to the Dark Ages.
And yet, American Jews vote for Obama. Now, Obama himself is careful to avoid any appearance of militant hatred of Jews. He just inveighs against "Wall Street Fat Cats" and "Neo-cons" and protects Black Muslims who are caught in voter intimidation in Philadelphia. A lot of those targets of abuse are Jews, and a lot of them sort of agree with Obama's rants against capitalism. But capitalism frees people, and the Jews, who have suffered more than their share of oppression, should recognize that instantly.
Half of American Jews are women. Women are badly used and abused both sexually and physically throughout the Islamic world. So are gay people. So are Christians who profess a religion that does not elevate Muhammad as the last prophet. Jews by the million have been forced to leave Muslim countries and are now settled in Israel and America. Every other day Ahmadinejad issues another nuclear threat against Tel Aviv. The Muslim Brotherhood, which inspired Hamas, has acted to destroy Jews and Israelis since its World War II alliance with Hitler. Jimmy Carter is a big fan of Hamas and brought that other medieval throwback, Ayatollah Khomeini, into power, thereby driving Jews and other Iranians out of that country.
And still the Jews vote 70-plus percent for their enemies.
Two plus two does not equal four.
This is not adult, rational behavior. It is not intelligent. It is not wise or benevolent. It is not charitable toward the weak and oppressed peoples of the earth. It is not good for future generations. And as 97 percent of the Israeli public has decided, Obama is very bad for Israel; after all, he's done nothing visible about Iranian nukes, which are the biggest genocidal danger to Israel ever. A second Holocaust has never been closer. Obama's backed off now for the election, but he'll be back at Netanyahu's throat as soon as the election is past. His White House "advisors" are all for shafting Israel but good. It's their substitute for sane foreign policy.
Something isn't right here. People usually don't vote for those who hate them and who constantly act in alliance with genocidal haters like Hamas and the Iranian fascisti.
Something isn't right.
Now watch the midterm elections, when the country will render its first verdict on Obama and his cronies in office, on the recession, the insanely high budgets, Obama's friendly alliances with ranting enemies of America and Israel.
I'll bet that Obama's crew gets more than 50 percent of the Jewish vote in the midterms.
I’m going to be charitable and assume that your hypothetical is a well-intentioned attempt to get inside the heads of people you don’t understand well, the Jewish people, rather than an attempt to impune what might theoretically go on inside the heads at some future date, of another people you still apparently don’t understand well, the evangelicals.
As I said before in so many words, you hypothesize an impossibility in the evangelical worldview.
You deny this?
So, are you a henotheist or a polygenist?
It is an impossibility in the Evangelical world view. It is not an impossibility in a Jewish world view.
We are not discussing why Evangelicals vote opposite of what seems to make sense to us, we are attempting to figure out why voting against what we perceive is in the best interests of Jews makes sense to them!
As to not understanding what goes on in the heads of Evangelicals and Jews?
I plead guilty.
You're saying someone who, "as a Jew," doesn't believe in the Jewish G-d???
“They hate Christians more than the Marxists.”
Where did this nonsense that Jewish people hate Christians come from?
I keep seeing it posted. It’s nuts.
“A more interesting question is why conservatives are so obsessed with less than 2% of the voting population. Some moral doubt that demands Jewish approval?”
I hope that is it. It looks rather like yet another “kill the Jews because so many are liberal” thread.
No. I’m saying that Jews know well that God allowed Israel to collapse in the past and have no compelling reason to believe that this incarnation of Israel is the final permanent one.
I’m perfectly willing to be wrong on this. Educate me.
Yeah, it’s nuts.
Perhaps “distrust” would be a better word, after all Christians have been persecuting Jews for millennia, and Marxist have only been doing it for a century or so...
“They are stuck in the meme of the crusades and inquisition.”
1900 years of Christian “love” has made us a nervous people. The last 60 years is wonderful and encouraging, but rather new.
“Just this weekend I read an article here on FR that the Jews pushed to close a voting center that was run by [Jews for Jesus].”
Yes, because it is forbidden for Jewish to enter a pagan temple, and therefor the observant could not vote.
Ooooh. Can't have that. People should worship the local idol of wherever they live, not some theoretical One True Universal G-d. After all, that type of thing is subversive, and could lead to "one world government." [/sarcasm]
That would make sense if the jews that are not true to their faith gave a crap about Israel. They don't.
islam tells us to convert or die. Much of Christianity tells us to convert or die damned...except for a chosen few who must be in possession of Jerusalem and shed our blood to make their NT prophecy come true.
THEN we must convert or die damned.
Either way, it is Jerusalem that is the endgame and there will be no more Jews in their perfect world to come. Very comforting to know how much we are loved and why. Not.
I have heard people get extremely upset at being called *Yehudi*. Why then, is JEW any different? In fact, it is worse and its use by our own selves is a sad recognition that we would sell our birthright, diminishing ourselves as no other force on earth can possibly do. The history of this word connotes nothing but heartbreak and horror for us. This historic weight that breaks our back and bends our will is anathema to who we really are.
Isn't it time we regain the pride we gave away so willingly to fit into a wondrous world we have built far beyond what our small numbers would suggest?
We have, throughout our entire history, done more to lead people to humanity than any other culture under heaven, yet those who have done nothing but steal from us are revered as being somehow superior.
Not in this life, or any other, has there been a more capable, more educated, more productive, more intellectually oriented, more beneficient, and yes, conservative in values even when those jews, small j, claim our coattails as if they somehow deserve them after they have betrayed us.
As a People, we learned more common sense in the days of the Old Testament than most people have even learned yet. Development of amazing technologies and medical breakthroughs are introduced via Hebrews almost every day of the week, but the world which we serve offers no thanks, no respect, and little, if any, recognition of our talents except to hate us more. And yet it doesn't stop us. G-d put us here for exactly this. The taught now teach. If the world at large will not call us by our rightful and proper name, then we should NOT answer. Period.
“Perhaps “distrust” would be a better word, after all Christians have been persecuting Jews for millennia, and Marxist have only been doing it for a century or so...”
Distrust is a fair word. I do distrust Christian religions that get too powerful and uniform.
It was not much more than 100 years ago when the Roman Catholic Church was stealing Jewish children by baptizing them against their parents’ will and then stating that these new “Chrisitian” children could not be raised by heathen Jews.
25 years ago the WASP set of James Baker, et al, was basically stating “screw the Jews”
Scratch a Ron Paul supporter and out of most comes a Stormfront supporter.
The John Birch people have done an admirable job of getting rid of anti-semites, but they still prowl the ranks.
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I love Evangelical Christian people. I think they have a great morality. Good citizens. Great neighbors. They are undeniably the current best friends of Israel. But, yes, I do know Christian thelogy ebbs and flows.
I could see how this love turns into hostility and hate when Jewish people “fail to love Jesus.” I’ve seen it on this thead. I could see them going the Roman Catholic route and forcing their religion on Jewish people “for our own good,” very easily.
It’s happened for 1900 years — the last 100 is the abberation.
So, yes, there is a tension.
“I’ll bet that Obama’s crew gets more than 50 percent of the Jewish vote in the midterms.”
You are probably right. I decided long ago that leftist Jews are leftists first. Ann Coulter said in a kind of tongue in cheek manner that liberalism is a mental disorder. She may have hit it right on the mark.
Of course liberalism today has nothing to do with the liberalism I espoused when I was a liberal Democrat. Almost forty years ago I realized that I could no longer stomach the Democratic Party or wear the liberal tag.
After thirty years of actively fighting these ersatz liberals I can tell you that they are enemies of this country. They are Marxists and America haters. Coulter was right. Leftist Jews are insane.
Thanks.
not me....folks who are not Christian or maybe agnostic or not socially conservative seem to really think that folks like myself only endorse Israel because we think it will get us into heaven.
...I have stated time and again even non believers should be able to see that Israel deserves our help given they share our values largely and live in a sea of crazy primitives.
the notion here that only God and a need for rapture keeps gentiles from relighting the ovens is smarmy and spoken by folks bolstering their own prejudice against believing Christians.
The only time I ever hear all this talk about how we MUST BIBLICALLY support Israel amongst my peers is here when some folks obsessed with Israel like a pampered pet say so. I support Israel and do most righties I know for the same reason we support the Western World over others....they are like us and are fighting the dark side....plus I have had a lot of personal experience there.
I don’t know what that meant.
Evangelicals are the best Americans that we have, opposing their politics at the voter box is anti-American. Attempting to keep America weak through liberalism as a strategy, is traitorous.
The previous two thousand years of chr*stian persecution (during which time American-style Fundamentalist Protestants simply did not exist) are often invoked as an explanation for the distrust of chr*stianity, yet when a pro-Israel Fundamentalist pastor who is so pro-Jewish he has been accused of heresy (John Hagee) attacks the Catholic Church suddenly all this is forgotten and liberal Jews become the great friends, allies, and protectors of Roman Catholicism! How does one explain this?
My own theory is that liberal Jews attack pro-Jewish Fundamentalists specifically because they do not wish Jews or Judaism to be associated with the Bible at all, or with the simple-minded trailer park dwelling morons who believe in universal floods, magical staffs, talking donkeys, and "dry bones" coming together. Liberal Jews would literally prefer to be hated by such people because that would reinforce their worldview of Judaism being three thousand years of leftist political dissent, iconoclastic nihilism, and Nobel physics prizes. With such a self-definition the prospect of some overweight twanging bumpkin bouncing towards one with hearts in his eyes is most unpleasant. (Before anyone gets mad at me, I wish to confess that I am myself an overweight, twanging bumpkin.)
I became a Noachide not because I believed in leftist political dissent, iconoclastic nihilism, and Nobel physics prizes but because I believe in the True Jewish G-d. I have up my religious beliefs for Him. I gave up chr*stmas for Him (and don't think December isn't painful around here). I believe that the Jewish People, despite all appearances, are still underneath it all the fire-breathing, righteous, rustic Theocratic warrior-shepherds they were three thousand years ago. I am sorry if this disappoints anyone, but I fell in love with Biblical Israel, not the Weimar Republic, and the idea that so many Jews cling to the latter rather than the former as the root of their self-definition drives me absolutely up the wall.
The fact that the debate is about "why should Jews vote for chr*stians" illustrates the problem. Jews should not "vote for chr*stians." Jews have been authorized to war against all false "gxds" and idols and to even implicitly endorse one would be a betrayal of that mission. Vote for HaShem! Vote for Torah! Vote for Noachide morality! Get the "chr*stians" out of your heads! What are they even doing in there? FCOL, in 1996 Rabbi 'Avigdor Miller (zt"l), one of the greatest Sages of the time, told Rabbi Yehuda Levin to support Pat Buchanan for President because of his moral stands! This country is full of people who, imperfect though they are, are certainly better than Pat Buchanan! What's the deal?
Finally, may I add that among all this "look at how bigoted and oppressive those awful chr*stians are" the real message against chr*stianity is being lost. Chr*stianity only theoretically worships a "one true G-d." In actual practice it is a radically henotheistic religion, every locality, culture, and ethnic group (no matter how mutually antagonistic) adopting J*sus as their own local tribal deity. One can see this even on FR, with all the talk of "western civilization" and "our culture" and "foreign religions" and the implication that everyone in America should believe in the American religion. Yet all this is being ignored while Jews debate about whether they should "support chr*stians!"
How about Jews do their duty??? How about they vote the way HaShem commands? How about everything else being forgotten?
You sent me a nasty personal attack in a freepmail just now, you said that it would get you banned if you posted it.
I still did not understand it though.
Please quit spamming me with nasty, personal attacks through freepmail, if you have some unchristian nasty posting to do, then do it on the thread, or would that interfere with your holier than the rest of the world, self aggrandizing that you slather on yourself on the threads?
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