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Gas for guns program may yield unintended consequence
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 24 October, 2010 | David Codrea

Posted on 10/25/2010 5:22:42 AM PDT by marktwain

Beneficiary may "buy...bigger gun"

"More than 250 guns traded for gas," staff writer Steven Ward of The Advocate tells us.

The program, Gas for Guns, is a no-questions-asked, voluntary gun buyback program sponsored by Circle K and local law enforcement agencies.

"No-questions-asked" means those of you with stolen guns--or even ones used in "guncrimes!"--can not only count on the police to dispose of evidence for you, they'll also act as your fence and reward you for your enterprising ways.

And they'll do this knowing it won't make a damn bit of difference in "combating gun violence." Something that's pretty well been established as a useless waste...Still, they have the money and the manpower resources to put on this show, so things must be pretty good in Baton Rouge crime-wise.

No? Well, at least working this detail ought to be the safer option for them.

Gas card recipient Martha Davenport may want to rethink the impulse that she no longer wants a gun because she thinks she doesn't need it. She may want to consider that training will greatly reduce the chances of a home intruder taking her gun away from her (and I'm sure I could arrange a demonstration for any anti-gun scoffer who needs convincing).

She shows good signs that she's coming around:

“Honestly though, I may just buy a new, bigger gun,” Davenport said.

Atta girl, Martha! Use the money you would have spent on gas to help up your stopping power from that .32.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; buyback; codrea; examiner; gun; upgrade
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These programs are good for turning in that antiquated "suicide special" from the 1920's and useing the money to obtain a better weapon.
1 posted on 10/25/2010 5:22:45 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Gun folks - opinions on the Rossi Trifecta?
Interchangeable .22, .243, and 20 guage.


2 posted on 10/25/2010 5:28:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: marktwain

It is also good for collectors looking to make a score.


3 posted on 10/25/2010 5:54:01 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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“Bill Parker, a former New Orleans resident who lives in Baton Rouge now, turned in three pistols at the Mount Zion location Saturday.

“The guns have been in my family for years. My father was a teacher in New Orleans and he used one of those guns to shoot off at the start of track meets,” Parker, 68, said.”

Makes you want to cry...


4 posted on 10/25/2010 5:57:39 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: MrB

I like Rossi. I have two matched pairs, a .22LR/.410 Ga. youth size that I got for the grandkids to shoot at our farm and a .223/20Ga. I haven’t shot the .223/20Ga. yet but the .22 is very accurate. I hit a ..uh..a crow sized object at 100 yds. with open sights.


5 posted on 10/25/2010 6:16:38 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: marktwain

I’ve been thinking of stocking up on cheap, old, broken throwaway guns, not over $20 a piece, for when they finally do one of these around here. I could make a killing, figuratively. Do they usually put a limit on how many guns you can turn in?


6 posted on 10/25/2010 6:54:19 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: marktwain
When I was a pawnbroker I used to love these gun “buy backs”. I would unload broken and otherwise unsellable guns on them. The last one they had here I used the Walmart gift cards to purchase a new .22 semi-auto rifle. I documented this and the local paper published the story. Oops.
7 posted on 10/25/2010 6:54:40 AM PDT by bruoz
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They will take all of the guns that you want to turn in but they usually only pay for a maximum of four guns around here.

I had a friend that got paid for a replica long gun that he brought in. When the local news media showed the "haul" of turned in guns, there it was on the top of the pile. We had a good laugh over that one.

8 posted on 10/25/2010 7:13:38 AM PDT by bruoz
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***I’ve been thinking of stocking up on cheap, old, broken throwaway guns, not over $20 a piece, ***

There was a time when pawn shops and gas stations sold IMPs(Imperial Metal Works), RGs(Rohm Gimbhs), Clerke Firsts, EIGs, H&Rs, IJs for less than $10.00.

About 100 years ago SEARS offered pistols for $2.00, giving rise to the term..”Hotter than a two dollar pistol!”

The 1968 gun control law put quite a dent in those foriegn made poistols.


9 posted on 10/25/2010 8:17:17 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Musem in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

There was a gun that cost $2.40 to make in the 1940s ($32 in today’s dollars), but today they sell for $1,200+. Wouldn’t it be sad if some historical FP-45 Liberator pistols ended up destroyed in these buybacks?


10 posted on 10/25/2010 8:22:24 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Hey, that gives me an idea. I can get a gunsmithing license and start making my own guns! With some simple machine tools I should be able to turn out guns for less than $10 a piece. Each copy shouldn’t take long to make, considering that a full Sten Gun required only five man-hours of work. I could make a living by cashing in on all the buyback programs in the state.


11 posted on 10/25/2010 8:33:36 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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*** I can get a gunsmithing license and start making my own guns! With some simple machine tools I should be able to turn out guns for less than $10 a piece.***

Who needs a gunsmith license? Just go to the hardware store, pick up some short pipe that fit a low pressure shotgun cartridge. Then get a larger piece of threaded pipe with a cap and a projection made from a nail (firing pin) that will slip over the smaller pipe and you have a “Slam Fire” shotgun!

Make a bunch of these and take them to a no questions asked gun buy back!

Google “slam fire philippine shotgun” Images.


12 posted on 10/25/2010 8:51:29 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Musem in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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Who needs a gunsmith license?

I'd like to avoid getting arrested in case I get caught making them. But, yes, to make even a real break-action shotgun doesn't require much. Go cheap, make it a .410 and you don't even have to deal with high pressures or recoil forces. Now that you mentioned shotguns, if you have all the machining equipment (which is pretty basic), it shouldn't cost more than $5 in materials for each one. I'm starting to think of the design right now. Steel rod from the hinge point, goes backward, curves down and up to be the grip, and extends back and then a loop down and up to be the stock. 18" steel pipe barrel pivots on the hinge, locks against a steel plate (welded to the frame rod) at the back, with another small one to hold the firing pin, trigger, spring and hammer. So that's about 18" of pipe, some bolts and a spring, a few basic machined parts (hammer, trigger), a few square inches of plate, a steel pin (firing pin), and a few feet of 1/4" steel rod.

Once you got it going, it shouldn't take more than half an hour to turn $5 worth of parts into a $50 gun to turn in. That's $45 an hour, not bad.

13 posted on 10/25/2010 10:01:50 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ltc8k6

Like I said, show up with a few hundred dollars and see what the people in line have. Some widow at one of these events turned in an all original Nazi Luger worth about $36,000.


14 posted on 10/25/2010 10:37:39 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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Unfortuantely in my state, a purchase permit is required for such a transaction involving a handgun. Each transaction.

Very unlikely that I’d be issued more than one or two such permits at one time.


15 posted on 10/25/2010 11:10:10 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Then get a larger piece of threaded pipe with a cap and a projection made from a nail (firing pin) that will slip over the smaller pipe and you have a “Slam Fire” shotgun!

Keep the bore size below 0.499" or else the firearm will be a "destructive device", subject to NFA'34 restrictions, unless you can plausibly argue its suitability for "sporting purposes".

16 posted on 10/25/2010 4:13:39 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I'd like to avoid getting arrested in case I get caught making them.

Why would you? It's perfectly legal to make guns for yourself. You can't sell them though, and I have no idea how they would interpret as respects one of these "buybacks". On the one hand "buybacks" are anti-gun and anti-citizen so you'd think they'd be OK with it, but OTOH, you're a FReeper, so they might bend every rule in the book till they found one you broke.

17 posted on 10/25/2010 4:23:02 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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What about rounds like the .50 AE? Are they just under 0.50” but called 50 anyway?


18 posted on 10/25/2010 4:24:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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What about rounds like the .50 AE? Are they just under 0.50” but called 50 anyway?

I believe so. It would be interesting to know whether any 0.50 pistols have an even number of lands/groves. If a rifled bore has an even number of lands/groves, the maximal distance through the centerpoint will be twice the maximum radius. If it has an odd number of lands/grooves, that maximal distance can be reduced (since each groove will be 180° opposite from a land). Given that the BATF is likely to claim as big a number as they can for a given bore's diameter, it would be best to keep the maximum wall-to-wall distance as low as possible.

19 posted on 10/25/2010 4:32:25 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: supercat

Nah, instead of the longest possible chord (your method), they’d just redefine caliber to the smallest circle the entire round would fit in, thus getting back to counting both grooves. Gotta learn to think like a &*%)($)_*ing ()Y(*&(^$*#%&^%head or you’ll never stay one step ahead of goobermint drones!


20 posted on 10/25/2010 4:37:01 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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