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Shooting at Manhattan diner leaves one man dead as argument between two groups gets violent
NY Daily News ^ | 10/23/10 | Kate Nocera, Matthew Lysiak and Jonathan Lemire

Posted on 10/23/2010 8:01:10 AM PDT by jimbo123

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To: treetopsandroofs

See #45

http://thelastcrusade.org/2010/10/22/obama-authorizes-80000-“refugees”-to-enter-country/


41 posted on 10/23/2010 9:04:00 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Navy Patriot

“Impossible, no one has a gun in NYC”

Most like Amish thugs who had come up from Pennsylvania pack’n heat


42 posted on 10/23/2010 9:09:54 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: nmh
I see no race or ethnicity mentioned.

Do you really need help reading filtered media between the lines? No mention of white, therefore not white. Being N, they are either black or Rican. My guess not knifed but shot is black.

43 posted on 10/23/2010 9:13:46 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Larry Lucido

Anyone notice the little sign on the wall, next to the restaurant?

Apparently, America doesn not yet know, what America needs..


44 posted on 10/23/2010 9:17:59 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: jimbo123

I lived on the upper east side for about 25 years in the 70s through the early 90s. I’ll never forget the wilding packs that threatened storekeepers in my supposedly safe neighborhood. You would walk into a drug store and immediately notice the electric atmosphere. Why? There was a group of black teenagers with backpacks threatening someone. I still have nightmares about those days.

But! Released mental patients have indeed played havoc with New Yorkers. It seems that every summer a deranged mental patient kills some young woman in Central park. I know Mayor Bloomberg yawns about it as he’s about to fly off to Bermuda.

Again, thanks for your concern.


45 posted on 10/23/2010 9:19:22 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Navy Patriot
“Impossible, no one has a gun in NYC.”

Criminals do!

Bloomburg would like to believe that if YOU are defenseless then the criminals will stop using guns to hurt you. Bloomburg is such an IDIOT!

I just can't understand, how these GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONES still have shootings. Can YOU? LOL!!!! Liberals are so idiotic.

46 posted on 10/23/2010 11:05:48 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: miss marmelstein

I lived in Manhattan during the same time period....1980-88

from Columbia housing to West 85th to Nassau st to Union Sq to Yorkville

Wilding was a threat no doubt and they always did it where they knew vulnerable whites or tourists were

Manhattan was real segregated...you only dealt with minorities in services or on public transit


47 posted on 10/23/2010 11:17:31 AM PDT by wardaddy (the redress over anything minority is a cancer in our country...stage 4)
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To: miss marmelstein
I'm concerned about you too. Thank God you thought to shut the door so quickly. That quick response may have saved your life because it showed that you were not a slow response victim. Predators look for weakness. Please be ever alert to your surroundings at all times. Have keys at the ready before exiting your car. Keys can be a weapon and also if there is an attempted car jack, keys should be thrown as par as possible, giving you time to escape. I watch all around me wherever I go.

I know what you mean about realizing that you were in real danger after the fact. I once (many years ago) accepted a ride home from work with a guy who did not take me home, but took me to a canal south of Miami. It was extremely tricky to talk myself out of that situation. That guy was very unstable and I believe he was out to dump my body in that canal. God was watching out for the stupid girl.

48 posted on 10/23/2010 11:45:08 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: wardaddy

I can assure you Manhattan was NEVER segregated in the 1980s. No matter what job I held I worked side by side with blacks, hispanics, Chinese - you name it. They lived on my block and they voted in my precinct.

Wilding almost always involved other NYers as victims, rarely tourists. The Central Park jogger being the most infamous.

I may be misunderstanding your post, so maybe you can explain.


49 posted on 10/23/2010 11:49:19 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: WVNan

Thank you so much for your kind words and concern. I once accepted a ride in a car from a stranger. I was only 21 but God was looking out for me that day. I shudder when thinking of that stupid move! If I had been killed my parents probably would never have known what had become of me. Stupid, stupid kid.

After so many years in NYC, I am a very alert pedestrian. As soon as that guy was at my shoulder my instinct was: DON’T GO INTO THAT BUILDING. Better to die on the sidewalk than be his victim in the privacy of the hallway or my apartment! Luckily, it all turned out OK.


50 posted on 10/23/2010 11:57:25 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
They were darn sure segregated where they lived which was my point...I had already clarified . Blacks lived mainly lower east side and alphabet city and above 125th on westside and 96th on east side and Chinese around Mott/Canal and latinos mostly in slowly evaporating Spanish Harlem and Inwood Heights. Whites occupied 90% of Manhattan below west 125th and east 96. Now I hear whites have moved further out taking over much of Brooklyn and Queens and even some of the BX. But folks still live largely segregated in New York City by race much like everywhere else. And if you need proof.


51 posted on 10/23/2010 11:57:49 AM PDT by wardaddy (the redress over anything minority is a cancer in our country...stage 4)
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To: miss marmelstein
I can assure you Manhattan was NEVER segregated in the 1980s.

But the Boroughs were and are. Public schools, too. I took the only Catholic girl in my high school to the senior prom, she'd moved down south to NC from NYC with her mother after her parents split up.

She was in some degree of culture shock, obviously, but was amazed by peculiar things here. She was accustomed to being the "only," though. She was the only white student in her class at Charles Evans Hughes High School in 1978, in Chelsea.

52 posted on 10/23/2010 12:01:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: wardaddy

Well, you used the word “segregated” which means (to me) minorities living in neighborhoods and having no access to the outside world. New Yorkers are very fluid: they may choose to live in Harlem or the South Bronx but they also work and eat lunch in midtown Manhattan. I can assure you this is true.

In your original post you said that white NYers only knew blacks from riding the subways or as cashiers. This might have been true in 1940 but certainly not true in the 1980s, lol!


53 posted on 10/23/2010 12:05:47 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: RegulatorCountry

My point is simply that there is no segregation in NYC. Maybe self-segregation and white flight when it comes to the public school system but not segregation. And if black kids are going to public school in Chelsea (the new gay West Village) then they are eating lunch and spending pocket money in that neighborhood. Segregation means (to me) never seeing a black or hispanic face on the street. This has never been true in the 40 years I’ve been living on and off in NYC.


54 posted on 10/23/2010 12:11:18 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
In the rest of the country, a school system with majority minority to such an extreme is ipso facto evidence of segregation and racism. The same goes for majority minority neighborhoods.

Perhaps northeastern cities never experienced the phenomenon of "parallel downtowns," one for black and one for white, but Harlem arose for some reason.

While I've never lived there, I've travelled there for business frequently enough to have made a few observations. Midtown can be something of a rarified atmosphere depending upon just where you are at the time. You're never more than a cab ride away from a highly segregated area, though.

Chicago is similar, albeit not so upclose and personal, there's a distinct line below which the world changes for the worse, a lot like some southern cities. Manhattan is better described as an island of interaction surrounded by segregation that would bring in the Feds anywhere else.

55 posted on 10/23/2010 12:24:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: nmh
I mad the mistake of walking along 14th Street last Saturday evening. This was between Fifth and Sixth Avenues. There were packs of yuts who looked much more dangerous than secondhand smoke loitering about. Bumping into one of them might have been fatal.

ML/NJ

56 posted on 10/23/2010 12:29:22 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Farmer Dean

You see that sort of thing all the time if people are allowed to vent. I bet Monday morning when the editors show up many of those posts will get deleted. I’ve seen it before on similar stories. People know the real deal, despite the politically correct crap that the media throws at them.


57 posted on 10/23/2010 12:31:16 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: PAR35

Beer Summit Failure!


58 posted on 10/23/2010 12:33:58 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: miss marmelstein

My point is that Manhattan was and remains segregated racially. Different races clump together where they live/reside/rent/own homes.

That is simply a fact, and nothing else. Make of that what you like.

Elsewhere ...all over the world in fact..it’s not much different. I grew up where we worked with blacks and they went home to their part of town just like we did.

Not much different except now in lower class white areas most heavyset white women have serial illegitimate mixed race kids and this will impact in the future and I don’t know if NYC has this so much or not.

Out in suburban whitelandia where I reside south of Nashville in argubaly the richest and most conservative county metro-wise in the US, the blacks we have are rich or adopted and mix freely....not many latinos..a few ..mostly Cubans or third generation Mexican.

In my hometown of Jackson Miss, the rich blacks tend to segregate to themselves and lower class white girls rarely have mixed kids.

and so it goes....America is transforming incredibly but some things remain static

btw...welcome back..lol


59 posted on 10/23/2010 12:52:24 PM PDT by wardaddy (the redress over anything minority is a cancer in our country...stage 4)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I give up! You’re right! Those cab rides to midtown far outweigh my years as a NYer - born and bred. It is a totally segregated city and I NEVER ONCE worked for a black boss or had lunch with a black colleague or shared an apartment building with a black neighbor.


60 posted on 10/23/2010 12:56:41 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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