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Student Says He Found FBI Tracking Device on Car (FBI says no warrant necessary)
ABC News ^ | 9 October 2010 | Kevin Dolak

Posted on 10/10/2010 4:09:29 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

A 20-year-old college student in California said he was shocked to discover he has been followed by the FBI when earlier this week he found a GPS tracker placed underneath his car.

Yasir Afifi, a half-Egyptian, half-American Muslim and U.S. citizen, said he was having the oil changed on his car last Sunday at a Santa Clara, Calif., auto shop when he noticed a wire and the black device underneath the automobile as it was being raised.

"I was born here in Santa Clara, I just turned 20 last August. I'm a sales manager, we sell laptops and I'm a full-time student," Afifi told ABC News station KGO-TV in San Francisco.

Afifi, the son of a prominent Muslim community leader who travels frequently to Egypt and the Middle East, said he took apart the GPS device, which was stuck underneath the belly of the car with a magnet, and showed it his friend.

The friend photographed the device and posted images of it on Reddit.com, a user-generated news site, asking if it meant that the government was following them, Afifi said.

A reader of that website responded that the device is an Orion Guardian ST820 tracking device, which is only sold to authorities, Afifi's lawyer said.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: california; egypt; fbi; fourthamendment; gps; gpstracking; santaclara; terrorism; warrantlesssearch; yasirafifi
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Yes, he is a muslim, born in the US, but warrantless GPS tracking is allowed because the car was parked in public?
1 posted on 10/10/2010 4:09:32 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

I would have had a little fun with it myself.


2 posted on 10/10/2010 4:19:47 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL OR REBEL! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Within three years....a dozen cops and FBI guys will have found GPS tracking devices under their own cars. They will be on the receiving end of this entire game. By 2020, parents will be routinely putting GPS devices on their teenagers vehicles. Guys will be tracking their wives and girlfriends...bosses will be tracking their secretaries. We’d better all get used to a different kind of privacy in the future.


3 posted on 10/10/2010 4:24:02 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Erik Latranyi

That truly is GWB’S fault. Any thing you name the patriot act is sure to be abused. Compasionate conservatives and neocons cheered the loss of our liberty. Unlimitedpolice power.


4 posted on 10/10/2010 4:25:59 AM PDT by barb-tex (What else did you expect from the likes of 0?)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Difficult, difficult situation.

My knee jerk reaction is to scream out for individual American citizens against unwarranted government intrusion.

But then, how many homegrown terrorists does it take before this sort of thing is justified?

I hope there is more to this story than meets the eye.

Individual freedom is on very tenuous grounds these days.

5 posted on 10/10/2010 4:26:53 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: barb-tex

And the true-blue lefties whined about it at ear splitting levels until the Bummer regime... now it’s crickets although the very same thing is happening.


6 posted on 10/10/2010 4:29:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: johniegrad

Maybe the Feebs really don’t care so much where the car went as about how long it takes for the trackee to notice the device and discard it. Savvier potential terrorists spell more trouble than dumber ones.


7 posted on 10/10/2010 4:32:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The kid’s a Muslim; his daddy is a Muslim with ties to the Middle East; why am I having trouble feeling compassion for him?


8 posted on 10/10/2010 4:32:47 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: johniegrad
My knee jerk reaction is to scream out for individual American citizens against unwarranted government intrusion. But then, how many homegrown terrorists does it take before this sort of thing is justified?

There are not so many that getting a warrant to track them is an obstacle.

9 posted on 10/10/2010 4:34:08 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

In previous cases in was decided that one’s driveway is public parking.


10 posted on 10/10/2010 4:34:22 AM PDT by metalcor
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To: miss marmelstein

It’s not a matter of if, but when, the Tea Partiers are tracked in the same manner.


11 posted on 10/10/2010 4:34:59 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Erik Latranyi
I'd have no problem with this if the courts had required that the FBI get a warrant. The government should NOT be allowed to simply putting a tracking on the car of a private citizen without any good reason, regardless of the person's beliefs. Of course, if private citizens choose to put these devices on their privately owned property, then that is a different story.

And if this person is indeed some sort of domestic terrorist, then why is the FBI wasting time and resources putting a tracking device on the car when it should be arresting and interviewing this person instead? I would imagine that a terrorist who doesn't want to be captured prior to engaging in his or her attack would most likely not be driving a personally-owned vehicle if it is known that the government tracks them.

12 posted on 10/10/2010 4:35:31 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: johniegrad

Though a law abiding citizen, I fear the cops and our gub mint much more than I fear the criminals at this point.


13 posted on 10/10/2010 4:36:15 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Less gubmint is best gubmint.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Muslims suck, but that we do this, makes the US suck.

There ain't no point defending society when society won't defend your rights.

14 posted on 10/10/2010 4:36:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Erik Latranyi

Look, my dad was an Italian national here in the States when Italy, with Germany, declared war on the United States.

He got a visit from the FBI. He was told to surrender any camera equipment and any radios to them. He was never bitter about that, and, instead, fully understood why the FBI had to confiscate his stuff. He never complained, and the only reason we knew about it was that we asked him what it was like being an Italian national in a country that was at war with Italy.

THIS IS WAR! The Mohammedans want the KILL US AND ENSLAVE US AND RAPE OUR WOMEN! Until the Mohammedans are VANQUISHED and turned back to the 3rd world squalor to which they are condemned by their own stupid ideology, let the spooks spy on them at will.


15 posted on 10/10/2010 4:36:57 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: metalcor
In previous cases in was decided that one’s driveway is public parking.

The courts have not respected private property rights for some time now.

16 posted on 10/10/2010 4:37:20 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: johniegrad
Gestapo tactics, in the disguise of National Security, is not only unconstitutional, it is violation of moral values.

If they have the freedom to do this now, then they will start doing it for political reasons eventually. They can claim “National Security” on every one of us who belongs to the Tea Party as well. That is because the clause covers a broad definition of who THEY believe might be a threat. There is no governing authorization holding them accountable for who they classify as a threat.

This is DANGEROUS ground we are allowing them to walk all over and they must be stopped and held accountable for repeatedly violating the Constitution.

17 posted on 10/10/2010 4:39:50 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Typical government operation; effed up, expensive and ultimately a failure.

Wouldn’t it have just been cheaper to tell the guy he is the 1 millionth customer of XYZ wireless and has won a free cell phone with two years of free service (with GPS enabled, lol).


18 posted on 10/10/2010 4:41:24 AM PDT by Outrance
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To: barb-tex
That truly is GWB’S fault. Any thing you name the patriot act is sure to be abused. Compasionate conservatives and neocons cheered the loss of our liberty. Unlimitedpolice power.

Why don't you educate yourself first?

The ruling that allowed authorities to place tracking devices on cars derived from a Drug Enforcement Administration action.....it had nothing to do with terrorism or the Patriot Act.

The Ninth Circus ruled that your driveway is public property and you have no right to privacy when your car is parked in public.

This is being appealed and will end up before the SCOTUS.

19 posted on 10/10/2010 4:41:48 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
There are not so many that getting a warrant to track them is an obstacle.

Agreed even though that would not be insurance against abuse. Judges could simply rubber stamp warrants in the way that they rubber stamp orders for protection. I'm not sure the judiciary serves much of a protective role if they are in the pocket of the government to being with.

I think I'm with Joe on this one. I trust the criminals more than I trust the government although it becomes even more confusing when the criminals are the government.

20 posted on 10/10/2010 4:42:12 AM PDT by johniegrad
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