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To: Erik Latranyi
Difficult, difficult situation.

My knee jerk reaction is to scream out for individual American citizens against unwarranted government intrusion.

But then, how many homegrown terrorists does it take before this sort of thing is justified?

I hope there is more to this story than meets the eye.

Individual freedom is on very tenuous grounds these days.

5 posted on 10/10/2010 4:26:53 AM PDT by johniegrad
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Maybe the Feebs really don’t care so much where the car went as about how long it takes for the trackee to notice the device and discard it. Savvier potential terrorists spell more trouble than dumber ones.


7 posted on 10/10/2010 4:32:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: johniegrad
My knee jerk reaction is to scream out for individual American citizens against unwarranted government intrusion. But then, how many homegrown terrorists does it take before this sort of thing is justified?

There are not so many that getting a warrant to track them is an obstacle.

9 posted on 10/10/2010 4:34:08 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: johniegrad

Though a law abiding citizen, I fear the cops and our gub mint much more than I fear the criminals at this point.


13 posted on 10/10/2010 4:36:15 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Less gubmint is best gubmint.)
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To: johniegrad
Gestapo tactics, in the disguise of National Security, is not only unconstitutional, it is violation of moral values.

If they have the freedom to do this now, then they will start doing it for political reasons eventually. They can claim “National Security” on every one of us who belongs to the Tea Party as well. That is because the clause covers a broad definition of who THEY believe might be a threat. There is no governing authorization holding them accountable for who they classify as a threat.

This is DANGEROUS ground we are allowing them to walk all over and they must be stopped and held accountable for repeatedly violating the Constitution.

17 posted on 10/10/2010 4:39:50 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: johniegrad

johniegrad: “But then, how many homegrown terrorists does it take before this sort of thing is justified?”

I’m not conflicted about it at all. Regardless of what the 9th Circus has ruled, this should be considered an illegal search. It’s one thing to observe what all passerby would typically observe in a public place. It’s something completely different to place a hidden device on a person or their belongings which are supposed to be secure from unreasonable searches. All the authorities have to do is show probable cause before a judge and get a search warrant.

Think about where this would lead. If they have the right to attach devices to a person’s property (in public) then what’s to stop them from putting devices in your clothing? A person is either secure in their belongings or not. Without a search warrant, this shouldn’t be permitted.


35 posted on 10/10/2010 5:28:40 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: johniegrad

Difficult, difficult situation.

My knee jerk reaction is to scream out for individual American citizens against unwarranted government intrusion.


I believe your knee jerk reaction is what makes sense.

Benjamin Franklin,
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.


54 posted on 10/10/2010 6:21:11 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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