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That link in the first paragraph has an excellent essay about why the author doesn't consider himself a conservative anymmore. He wants to reverse all the crap that liberals and progressives have foisted upon us. Current RINOS and CINOS are content just to stop further advances by the left.
1 posted on 10/03/2010 6:22:55 PM PDT by neverdem
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Well, I'm a conservative atheist, so I don't agree with everything he says, but I do like this: men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.
2 posted on 10/03/2010 6:29:24 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Instead of building a grand mosque at Ground Zero, let's build a Ground Zero at their Grand Mosque.)
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To: neverdem

Thomas Jefferson:
“The powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others.
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God.
It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
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I have no problem with this.


3 posted on 10/03/2010 6:33:00 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: neverdem
Yes, a brilliant essay. I can't find much fault in it. It is what I've believed for a while. I use to be a Libertarian or at least more Libertarian. I still find some aspects of Libertarianism attractive. But when taken to the extreme, Libertarianism will result in social chaos. The trick is how much Libertarianism can we stand up to a point. That's a tough one.
4 posted on 10/03/2010 6:34:22 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: neverdem

Sadly it may be that the US Constitution has outlived its usefulness if US Citizens cannot protect themselves from infiltration and invasion using the Constitution as the means for that infiltration and invasion.

The Founders never envisioned the cancer of islam taking over free countries by perverting the freedoms of those countries.

Outlawing islam sets a very bad precedent, imo.


5 posted on 10/03/2010 6:39:07 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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Libertarians don’t need to be a majority. Just nimble. As between those who would prohibit a behavior and those who would mandate it, libertarians need only be the balance of power. Otherwise, somebody’s idea of Sharia will prevail.


7 posted on 10/03/2010 6:41:59 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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“And what can you predict about America’s political future based on the fact that an increasing number of people are embracing these “non-traditional” behaviors and beliefs?”

Unfortunately, a lengthy study of history indicates the dissolution of the Union, a lengthy period of savagery and barbarism, followed by tyranny. Not a nice thought, but that’s how it usually goes.


8 posted on 10/03/2010 6:45:22 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: neverdem

First off, the authors name is ‘Selwin’. Second problem, he thinks he’s smarter than Jefferson.


9 posted on 10/03/2010 6:46:59 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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I know I am over-simplifying, but Abe Lincoln said - "Freedom is not the right to do what we want, but what we ought.."

I believe The Gipper once repeated this quote. Reagan also said, - "Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.”

10 posted on 10/03/2010 6:50:23 PM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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This writer has exposed the worst trait of some conservatives. SOME have no problem with the leftist/socialist habit of wanting to run the lives of others. Their only difference is that they think THEY should be the ones in charge.

And i think walking around with TB falls squarely inside the “break my bone” zone. The trouble with what the author opines, is that while of course, ideas have consequences, those ideas must be fought with better ideas, not with the coercive power of the state.


11 posted on 10/03/2010 6:50:34 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: neverdem

This is an excellent piece.


12 posted on 10/03/2010 7:06:52 PM PDT by marron
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To: neverdem

Exactly, in the words of CS Lewis:

“..they remove the organ and still expect the same function”

The idea that amorality leads to Liberty is incredibly foolish on the part of Libertarians, nature abhors a vacuum, if Morality does not fill it, what will?

And that is something Libertarians never seem to grasp, the basis of Freedom is not indifference, it is a healthy sense of proper and improper based on unyielding Principles that force engagement, not on simple “I do not know and do not care”.

What Libertarians do not grasp when they read Reverend Niemueller’s famous words:

“..first the came for..”

That is exactly what amoralism produces, if your whole philosophy is based on being non confrontational, then what happens when confrontation or surrender does present itself?

Do they act early, shrug, quote ZAP?


15 posted on 10/03/2010 7:16:13 PM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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What?????

Selwyn Duke obviously just hates liberty, and is afraid of freedom, and whatever other mindless libertarian clichés I can think of.

19 posted on 10/03/2010 7:27:37 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (is a Jim DeMint Republican. You might say he's a funDeMintalist conservative.)
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To: neverdem

That has to be the most well thought out and written piece I have read in a long time. I agree with him whole heartedly. Like him I was mostly Libertarian but couldn’t really figure out the part that the truly corrupt play and how to counter them. If morality isn’t in ones heart it must be legislated for societies sake.


20 posted on 10/03/2010 7:31:05 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: neverdem

Despite libertarians’ attestations that they love freedom, we can see by their actions that they would rather cede the republic to the left than be caught voting for a “social conservative.”

Another excellent offering by Selwin Duke.


29 posted on 10/03/2010 7:56:05 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Paladino is a rock star!)
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This article is borderline nonsensical, however this line pretty much gave it away:

"Lest there be any misunderstandings, I don't propose that our central government establish religion."

This little qualifier gives away the intentions here, but it seems that the author is just another in a long line of those like Beck and Joe Farah who are trying to morph the anti-government sentiment of the Tea Party into a quasi-evangelical religious revival.

Obama and his allies are literally dismantling the country and the economy before our very eyes, but Selwyn Duke is griping about libertarians because they don't support federal speech codes.

Talk about taking your eye off the ball.

I think the anti-government revolution that is sweeping the country will literally evaporate if the people who want to turn it into a religious movement have their way.

31 posted on 10/03/2010 8:10:34 PM PDT by GunRunner
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"Churchgoing Christians cast ballots overwhelmingly for traditionalist candidates, "

BS. It's 50-50 at best.

Church-going Christians MAY even be predominantly left...remember, this includes Lutherans and Catholics.

34 posted on 10/03/2010 8:14:50 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: neverdem

So Obama and the Democrats is the fault of the Libertarians?


38 posted on 10/03/2010 8:41:07 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi
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Ping for home


45 posted on 10/03/2010 9:10:50 PM PDT by itsahoot (We the people allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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most intrepid libertarian, Glenn Beck,

This guy was never much of a libertarian if he thinks that about an unlibertarian statist like Beck, who supports perpetual war in Afghanistan and Iran, praises the drug war, and supported TARP is a "libertarian." Based on that whopper, his strawmen arguments can be safely ignored

46 posted on 10/03/2010 9:14:30 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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The morons on the left say that you can't legislate morality. Then why do we arrest people for stealing or assault?

I think that to a degree, one must legislate morality.

I think we have to get ahead of Islam and pass laws against the ruinous aspects of Sharia and buttress or at least enforce those laws that already run counter to Sharia.

Murder, for one, is the grandaddy offense that must be taken more seriously, particularly of one's own children, to discourage honor killings.

55 posted on 10/03/2010 9:31:27 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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