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To: neverdem

Exactly, in the words of CS Lewis:

“..they remove the organ and still expect the same function”

The idea that amorality leads to Liberty is incredibly foolish on the part of Libertarians, nature abhors a vacuum, if Morality does not fill it, what will?

And that is something Libertarians never seem to grasp, the basis of Freedom is not indifference, it is a healthy sense of proper and improper based on unyielding Principles that force engagement, not on simple “I do not know and do not care”.

What Libertarians do not grasp when they read Reverend Niemueller’s famous words:

“..first the came for..”

That is exactly what amoralism produces, if your whole philosophy is based on being non confrontational, then what happens when confrontation or surrender does present itself?

Do they act early, shrug, quote ZAP?


15 posted on 10/03/2010 7:16:13 PM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: padre35
The idea that amorality leads to Liberty is incredibly foolish on the part of Libertarians, nature abhors a vacuum, if Morality does not fill it, what will?

Indeed, it ignores the clear teaching of history. It ignores the prescience of John Adams: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

If we as a people are immoral, if we are of the mindset that anything goes, if we lambaste those who insist on the reality of axiomatic truth in the universe which itself points to a Creator, if we spit in God's eye and flout the statutes of His law as "stifling", then we have no right to expect to be a free and happy people living under His blessing.

17 posted on 10/03/2010 7:24:06 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: padre35; bamahead
The idea that amorality leads to Liberty is incredibly foolish on the part of Libertarians

I know MANY libertarians and ALL of them despise amorality. In fact, some of them are extremely strict followers of the Objectivist ethics and can be quite obnoxious in their enthusiasm in pointing out that public policy always reflects ethics and morality in one way or another, and that if your ethics are in conflict with reality, you're in danger of setting up a dictatorship, etc., etc., etc. and on and on and on... Tedious? Yes, Amoral? Absolutely not.

Now MY personal objection to libertarianism is that many libertarians' attitude of "live and let live" extends to foreign policy. Some of them even think that nutcases should be allowed to develop nukes. I couldn't be more adamantly opposed to such nonsense.

23 posted on 10/03/2010 7:42:27 PM PDT by FreeKeys (COPY EVERYTHING IN THE BOX ON MY PROFILE PAGE AND SEND IT TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK !!)
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To: padre35
And that is something Libertarians never seem to grasp, the basis of Freedom is not indifference, it is a healthy sense of proper and improper based on unyielding Principles that force engagement, not on simple “I do not know and do not care”.

You can see this operate in the followers of Ayn Rand. Neither she, nor her followers, grasps the concept of Natural Law, and the associated true nature of man.

32 posted on 10/03/2010 8:12:49 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Paladino is a rock star!)
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