Posted on 10/03/2010 8:10:49 AM PDT by Kaslin
Another exclusive Pajamas Media crowd estimate.
The widely publicized, heavily subsidized “One Nation” rally was Saturday in Washington, D.C. As has been openly admitted by the organizers, which included the AFL-CIO, the SEIU and Obama’s perpetual campaign organization Organizing for America, this rally was held in the same place and at basically the same time of the day as Glenn Beck’s 8/28 “Restoring Honor” rally, specifically to demonstrate the depth of support for the president’s program. The convention organizers had a number of advantages, perhaps the greatest being that the buses bringing in demonstrators were apparently subsidized by the rally organizers.
Some of the initial reports were very positive: the organizers estimated 175,000 to 200,000 attendees, according to Crooks and Liars‘ report of “preliminary satellite estimates … at about noon EST [sic].”
(Where do they get these satellite estimates? PJM has been completely unsuccessful finding satellite companies that can give us these sorts of pictures on demand; there isn’t a satellite passing over Washington, D.C., any time you want one.)
Comments from Left Field notes this “more than doubles the 87,000 attendees of Glenn Becks Restoring the Honor Rally,” using the CBS News estimate I discussed at length here in August (“You Can See November from the Washington Monument”).
Naturally, we were interested in the topic. Following various crowd estimates has become a running topic of interest at Pajamas Media, starting with my original crowd estimates that began with a “back of the envelope” calculation in a comment at Vodkapundit, followed by a more formal calculation here in PJM (“March on Washington: How Big Was the Crowd?“).
Since then, I’ve built up a fairly well described methodology: we use Google Earth to estimate the area of the crowd from whatever photographs are available, then multiple by several different constants depending on the crowd density. These estimates are taken from published Park Service standards going back at least to the Obama inaugural.
Since the “One Nation” rally was consciously positioned at exactly the same place as the “Restoring Honor” rally, we can compare with my original baseline very easily.
Here’s the crowd perimeter as I drew it with Google Earth:
That area was about 2.4 million square meters. Using the crowd density estimates, we finally arrived at these estimates for the Beck crowd:
Estimate | 10 square feet per person | 5 square feet per person | 2.5 square feet per person | |
Maximum: | 215,000 people |
|
430,000 | 860,000 |
90 percent | 200,000 | 400,000 | 800,000 | |
75 percent |
|
163,000 | 326,000 | 652,000 |
50 percent | 108,000 | 216,000 | 432,000 | |
CBS News Estimate | 87,000 | 87,000 | 87,000 | |
40 percent | 86,000 | 172,000 |
|
344,000 |
The assumptions there correspond to the Park Service’s standard for a “dense crowd” of about 5 square feet per person, my estimate of the crowd densities observed in the photos (10 square feet per person), and estimates from people in the most densely packed parts of the crowd (2.5 square feet per person).
All things considered, I think the best estimate, finally, is that Beck attracted somewhere between 250,000 and 400,000 people.
The Associated Press summed it up this way:
Organizers claimed they had as many participants as Beck’s rally. But Saturday’s crowds were less dense and didn’t reach as far to the edges as they did during Beck’s rally.
This is illustrated in these comparative photographs:
Click here for a photo from Saturday’s left-wing rally.
Click here for a photo from the Glenn Beck rally.
Compare and contrast as necessary — as the lawyers say: “the thing speaks for itself.”
It’s difficult to place the edges of the crowd from these photographs, simply because the crowd in that one overhead photo is so far down the picture. However, the grassy area around the Lincoln Memorial is roughly one tenth the area in the full map above. That means the “One Nation” crowd would have been roughly 22,000 to 85,000 people at most.
No doubt about it, Beck had the bigger rally. Putting bodies in the street was the left’s strong point and they are slipping.
Pigs!
“But honey, size doesn’t matter.” Uh, I’m trying remember where I’ve heard that before.
Of course not. To the elitist socialist mindset, only a few elites matter. Some pigs are more equal than others.
North America could have capsized, says Democrat Congressman
Too Many People On One Coast
Asks Mexico to dispatch entire population north to balance continent during rallies for Obama.
[what a bunch of leeches! ]
I had not thought of what you wrote about the organizers perhaps making a bigger effort to clean up. They seem to be pigs, just leaving muck behind them everywhere they gather.
I wonder what their home environment looks like.........
Yep - the airplane’s a great distraction... /s
Size DOES matter.
(Infantile weanie libs think if they score some “endowment” money from an NGO, that means they’re “endowed” . . . well, not quite. Sorry, kids. You have to grow up a bit before that will happen.)
Looks like were not the only ones disputing size!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101002/wl_nm/us_france_pensions_protests
Unions said that about 2.9 million had marched, while police said the crowds numbered 899,000. The union figure was about the same as at the last demonstrations on September 23. The police figure was slightly lower.
Leni
Y’all ever watch the TV show “Hoarders”?
Someone mentioned yesterday, that this is partly a union thing.
DC trash collectors are union, so their "brothers" can't and won't do another union members job.
That.....and liberals are pigs
Apparently a lot of people were in line for the bathroom when they took the photo.
Obama did not stop by LOL read the comments after this article
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/02/a-weekend-away-for-the-first-couple/
The MSM in a online news search of ONE NATION RALLY PHOTOS is saying they had TENS of THOUSANDS. How many were truly there?
More pictures of theyre trash.
related thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2600577/posts
One question. Is this the first wave? Will they all be there for the Jon Stewart rally plus whatever the comedian and Obama can draw? Maybe they think it will be a one two knockout punch. I wouldnt be surprised by such a devious followup plan right before the election.
The media says size does not matter now because they are socialist commiecrats and thug union bullies that say ONE NATION and omit we are UNDER GOD.
[can’t and won’t do another union members job.]
That’s amazing! “Can’t and won’t do another’s job - I guess that fits in with expecting the government to do things for them.
They were bussed in, they didn’t make their own signs, they were given box lunches, I heard some were ordered to go and some were paid to go. Disgracefull people!
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