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To: wastoute

> The libtards may just want to “rethink” their strategy here...

Actually, that would play right into their hands. Like the Bolsheviks, they have control of the military right now, and most of the military will fire on American citizens if ordered to do so or in self-defense.

Armed rebellion against a modern military is a romantic notion at best, and perhaps a suicidal one.

The U.S. military prevailed in Iraq even with BOTH hands tied behind their backs. In Afghanistan, they have both hands tied and a ball and chain around one ankle.


7 posted on 09/27/2010 9:34:42 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Westbrook
"Armed rebellion against a modern military is a romantic notion at best, and perhaps a suicidal one."

Lol.. I wonder how many times through the course of human history this exact same sentence was written or spoken. My guess is that it was said prior to every single rebellion that ever took place, anywhere on this planet.

Just a hint: Your approaching this from the wrong angle.

12 posted on 09/27/2010 9:45:45 AM PDT by myself6
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To: Westbrook
I highly doubt that the US military would side with BHO as apposed to the American people. I am half surprised that there hasn't been a military coup in this country already.

He is by no means popular with the military and the military takes an oath to the Constitution and not the Predident and certainly NOT BHO.

13 posted on 09/27/2010 10:03:52 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Westbrook

The US army couldn’t win a gorilla type urban war in this country.

It might be able to temporarily subjugate most of the major population centers. But to hold and maintain serious control would require a raw brutality that A) many of the men simply wouldn’t do, and/or B) would inspire an even greater uprising of the population.

Now, I’ll grant you that 95% of liberals would turn in their conservative neighbors for a dime if they thought they could get away with it. Dems have no loyalty and are full of seething hate. But they are cowards and it wouldn’t be long before they started turning up in ditches with bullet holes in their heads..lots of them, if they sold out their fellow countrymen.

I wish my Dad was still alive. This was his area of expertise in the Marines. And he predicted in 1964 that Nam would turn out exactly as it did. I’ll bet he’d have something to say on this.

No, the US military is not going to start lining up dozens of civilians in the town squares of this country and conducting public executions. And that is what it would take to subjugate much of our populace.


17 posted on 09/27/2010 10:45:36 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: Westbrook
Like the Bolsheviks, they have control of the military right now, and most of the military will fire on American citizens if ordered to do so or in self-defense. Armed rebellion against a modern military is a romantic notion at best, and perhaps a suicidal one.

I disagree on almost all counts.

#1 I have a friend who's son is a West Point graduate serving in Iraq and who previously did two tours of Afghanistan. The young captain is highly decorated for valor. He is also an atheist and a card carrying liberal who loves Obama and reviles Bush. I asked him that question and he asserted to me that in his INFORMED opinion (and I think he would indeed know) there is no way that the standing army would turn their weapons on the citizenry. Now he can't speak for the various state level guard units. Witness what happened during the gun grabs of Katrina.

#2 100 MILLION gun owners. A huge chunk of them former military and a substantial chunk of those combat veterans. Even if 90% of the gun owners meekly submitted to tyranny that would still leave TEN MILLION hard corps experienced folks with weapons in their hands and an itch to squeeze triggers. Think of the havoc caused in both Iraq and Afghanistan by insurgents. Guerilla warfare favors the guerillas. Think of the Mujahadeen and their Jihad against the USSR. It took a long time but which one left the country whipped? Don't talk to me about STINGERS either! Yeah, we helped with the Soviet HIND-D assault helicopter issue but those old mountain boys already had the Russkies well in hand by the time the famous Charlie Wilson started in the weapons procuring business. The point is, a crushing tyranny is not a fait accompli in such a situation. It would be bloody and it would be long just like the FIRST American Revolution, but in the end, I think we would prevail.

22 posted on 09/27/2010 12:37:15 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Zombie Hunters: We make dead things deader.)
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To: Westbrook

Actually google civlian disarmament and 29 Palms. Most of the “trigger pullers” in the military are “like us”. They probably would NOT obey illegal orders to fire on or disarm US patriots. While any attempt by libtards who through deception have temporarily taken control of our country may be messy it wouldn’t go the way they would wish. IMHO. I think they fully realize this and the last thing they would do is let things slide that direction. They are bluffing on a VERY bad hand.

THe last time they had this kind of power they let a couple “little things” like Ruby Ridge and Waco get out of hand. I don’t know if you recall but I do. There was a “tax protestor” who was holed up out in Wyoming or one of those “empty Western states” and the FBI, et. al. had his place surrounded and the media was on it 24/7 like it was gonna be another Ruby Ridge. There were folks descending on the FBI by the hundreds from all directions. It was hilarious (but in a very dangerous way). THe FBI had roadblocks on all the roads a few miles away from the guy’s place and the “patriots” had roadblocks on the same roads just outside the cordon the FBI put up. It was like Americans were telling the gummint, “You may have HIM ‘bottled up’, but WE have YOU.” Crap like Ruby Ridge stopped happening after this little event.


32 posted on 09/28/2010 2:56:26 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Westbrook
...most of the military will fire on American citizens if ordered to do so...

I believe that statement to be a damned lie.

46 posted on 09/28/2010 5:25:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Westbrook

>>>Actually, that would play right into their hands. Like the Bolsheviks, they have control of the military right now, and most of the military will fire on American citizens if ordered to do so or in self-defense.<<<

Actually, no. Once the totalitarian is in power, they actively seek to diminish the military and replace it with a police power answerable only to the party or the personality running the state. This was the pattern in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and Maoist China. In all three cases, the party set up state-run police organizations and by-passed the military to control the population.

The problem with the military is that many of those in the military - and not just here - do so out of love for the country and desire to defend their country, while the leftist totalitarian group seeks power for itself. Patriotism stands in the way of the totalitarian. Stalin killed all of the military officers in a purge; the military tried to kill Hitler.

I have the opposite opinion. I don’t think the military would fire on American citizens. On the contrary, I would think you’d see a Pinochet emerge before seeing the army go berserk.

I guess we’ll see. I really hope we’re both wrong. God help us.


48 posted on 09/28/2010 8:54:33 PM PDT by redpoll
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