Are they going to go with the 6 volt or the 12 volt choo choo?
Posted on 09/14/2010 9:35:01 AM PDT by Willie Green
MADISON, Wis. — A brick-and-glass state office building on the banks of Lake Monona, just a few blocks from the Wisconsin Capitol and the rest of downtown Madison, shows no outward sign that it has become the focal point of one of the most heated — and unexpected — debates to divide this state’s Democrats and Republicans in a crucial election year.
The controversy is over what the building could become: one of the first new station stops on a high-speed rail network paid for primarily with federal dollars. Wisconsin won big in a national competition to get the high-speed rail stimulus money, and the issue historically has attracted bipartisan support here. Proponents say the new rail service will spur development and link Midwestern cities more tightly together.
But many Wisconsin Republicans this year are denouncing the new trains, using the project as a symbol to show how Democratic leaders in both state and federal government are spending money that neither can afford. “More than anything,” says Scott Walker, the Milwaukee County executive and Republican candidate for governor, “it symbolizes what people think of here when they think of runaway government spending.”
Both Walker and Mark Neumann, a former congressman who faces Walker in Tuesday’s (Sept. 14) Republican primary, want the state to stop work on the project. Walker launched his own website called NoTrain.com, calling for using the money to fill other transportation needs. Neumann doesn’t want it used for transportation at all; he wants the money for tax breaks, although it’s not clear how viable either option is.
Rail proponents are not backing down. Last week, President Obama visited Milwaukee to preview his plans to improve the nation’s transportation infrastructure, specifically mentioning high-speed rail. His transportation secretary, Ray LaHood, said in a recent visit that “nobody can stop this train.” And Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, who is running to keep the governor’s mansion in Democratic hands, is firmly behind extending high-speed rail to Madison.
A big winner
Wisconsin won big in the sweepstakes to secure money for high-speed rail. Although 40 states applied for stimulus funds for faster trains, only Wisconsin got everything it asked for: more than $810 million to start sending trains between Milwaukee and Madison, the state’s two biggest cities.
Some state-owned stretches of the route currently have a single track that is so old that freight trains can travel only up to 10 mph on it. The infusion of federal cash would upgrade the route from Milwaukee to Madison so the whole distance would have at least two sets of tracks, and trains could travel up to 79 mph initially and, by 2016, 110 mph. It’s a far cry from the speeds envisioned for trains in California and Florida, which would top 220 mph and 150 mph, respectively. But the benefit of the Midwestern approach is that the trains would come online quickly; planners say the first ones would arrive in Madison in the spring of 2013.
If and when passengers start using it, the Madison site would look quite different than it does today. A single track now winds, largely hidden from view, near a lakeside thoroughfare past the state office building. But planners envision a double track that would accommodate both freight and passenger rail. On the lakeside wall of the administrative building, the new platform would be topped with a four-story curved roof to complement the Frank Lloyd Wright-designed conference center next door. Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz wants to go a step further. Where a run-down parking garage now stands across the street, the mayor wants an underground garage covered with a city-owned market.
The station would eventually be just one stop in a much larger Midwestern network. Right from the start, Madison passengers would be able to take the train through Milwaukee to Chicago. Eventually, the route would be extended to the Twin Cities in Minnesota. Passengers could catch trains in Chicago to stops stretching from Kansas City to Cleveland.
Wisconsin has long pushed for the regional network. Democrats defending the project today unfailingly mention that it was Tommy Thompson, a four-term Republican governor, who first promoted the idea here. The incumbent governor, Democrat Jim Doyle, put a spotlight on the issue during his two terms, traveling to Spain to ride on the country’s recently built bullet trains and convincing a Spanish train manufacturer to build an assembly plant in Wisconsin.
Boondoggle or boon to business?
The Doyle administration is moving full speed ahead to complete the route, even as Republican critics call for work to halt. State officials say they plan to have roughly $300 million of the $810 million project under contract by January, when the next governor will take over. Those contracts include design work, construction of bridges and the purchase of construction materials such as steel and railroad ties.
Walker, the Milwaukee County executive, says the state can still pull the plug on the project in January. He wants to cancel contracts before money has been spent on them. Many of the firms that would help build the rail line already do business with the state on highway and road projects, so they’d have plenty of reasons to cooperate with the state, he says.
Walker argues that the state is overestimating the number of people who will take the train, which would leave state taxpayers on the hook for more than the $6 million to $7 million the state says will be required annually for ongoing maintenance and support. Residents of the Milwaukee area can get to Madison cheaper and faster by taking a car than by riding the train, the candidate argues.
That’s the key difference, Walker says, between the Milwaukee-to-Madison route and the popular Hiawatha line that runs from Milwaukee to Chicago already. People are willing to take the Hiawatha because it can save them time in traffic or money for parking. More than 740,000 riders took it in 2009, a 50-percent increase from seven years earlier. Walker supports state subsidies for the existing route, but not for its extension to Madison. He points out that an Amtrak train already runs from Chicago to the Twin Cities, even though it bypasses Madison.
Cari Anne Renlund, of the Wisconsin Department of Transportation, says Walker is missing the point. “This is not commuter rail; this is intercity rail,” she says. “This is to connect the folks in Madison with people in St. Louis.” Because it is an intercity system, Renlund says it’s more appropriate to compare train ridership numbers with that of airports. She says when the Madison train comes online in 2013, more people will use it in a year than will use the Madison and Green Bay airports combined.
Both Republican candidates for governor object to the ongoing subsidies the state would have to pay to keep the new trains running. But Redlund says the state’s current subsidy for rail is minuscule compared to roads. Right now, she says, the state pays $1.38 per Wisconsin resident on rail, compared to $360 per person on bridges, highways and roads.
More importantly, Renlund argues, “This is a jobs initiative. We are going to have thousands of people working on this. Efforts to kill the project are, in effect, efforts to kill those jobs.” The state estimates that extending the route to Madison will create 5,500 jobs at the peak of construction in 2012. Walker, though, dismisses those estimates and claims that only 55 full-time permanent railroad jobs are expected to be created by the expansion.
One of the stickiest issues, though, is what would happen to the federal money Wisconsin already has spent on high-speed rail if the next governor cancels the project. Walker says he would like for the state to be able to use the money for other transportation projects, even if that requires a change of law by Congress. He says Wisconsin previously has spent money originally designated for rail in order to improve highways.
But the state’s agreement with the federal government on the current stimulus program specifies that Wisconsin would have to pay back the money it receives if the state stops high-speed rail service in the next 20 years. A spokesman for Barrett, the Milwaukee mayor and presumptive Democratic nominee for governor, says Wisconsin would end up wasting millions of dollars to cancel the contracts without receiving any of the benefits.
If Wisconsin’s money did return to the federal government, other states would want it. This fall, 25 of them applied to the federal government for help with 77 different projects. The requests totaled more than $8.5 billion, but this year, the federal government only has $2.3 billion available.
Cari Anne Renlund, of the Wisconsin Department of Transportation, says Walker is missing the point. “This is not commuter rail; this is intercity rail,” she says. “This is to connect the folks in Madison with people in St. Louis.” Because it is an intercity system, Renlund says it’s more appropriate to compare train ridership numbers with that of airports. She says when the Madison train comes online in 2013, more people will use it in a year than will use the Madison and Green Bay airports combined.There is something horribly wrong with the GOP when it fields candidates that are so obviously wrong on major economic issues that affect the people of their state.
Why can't that dimwit Walker understand that, Wisconsin benefits not only by connecting Madison to Milwaukee, but also by having travelers from as far away as Chicago (or further) have convenient passenger train access all the way to Madison???
It's as if the bonehead is trying to economically blockade and isolate Madison, and prevent Madison from having easier access to the larger Chicago market.
And here I always thought that the GOP was supposed to be "pro business".
I guess that's only true for global corporations.
When it comes to providing infrastructure that will facilitate domestic economic growth, they do everything in their power to undermine local opportunities.
Yes, fiscal responsibility is such a TERRIBLE thing! How DARE the GOP concern themselves with wasteful spending and deficits and building artifices that will become never-ending net-consumers of tax dollars!
this is about insiders who have bought land where the train stops will go.
In the old days, developers would bribe the planning and highway boards to know where the highways are going so they could buy the land near the intersections for gas stations and the like. (they still do but are more stealthy)
It's as if the bonehead is trying to economically blockade and isolate Madison, and prevent Madison from having easier access to the larger Chicago market.
You think that Madison is suddenly going to see an influx of visitors from Chicago? I actually think this access will have the opposite affect. It will be much easier for the citizens of Madison and Milwaukee to visit Chicago for a weekend, which benefits Chicago much more than it benefits Madison or Milwaukee.
Are there any mass transit system operating in the black?
Are they tearing up all of the interstates to Madison? Listen, the infrastructure is there, it is called the US Highway system.
IF AMERICANS THOUGHT THAT PASSENGER TRAINS WERE SUCH A DAMNED GOOD IDEA, THEY WOULD HAVE NOT GONE THE WAY OF THE DODO.
Instead, people wanted cars, and left trains once autos became affordable. What people want is FREEDOM, not trains. Trains run on their own schedule, not the individuals. Also, the only way trains are profitable is if they are subsidized by those who never use them.
Can someone explain the liberal love affair with high speed rail? I just don’t get it. Local rail transport is great in high population density areas such as NY and LOndon, but the economics just cannot come even close to working in most cities.
Are they going to go with the 6 volt or the 12 volt choo choo?
My congressional candidate says its DOA based on a lack of money alone. He also points out that the cost is a lie as well. Eminent domain and environmental fights alone will bring it up to 3 times the estimated costs.
Sorry to tell you Willie. Voting in my area has been VERY STRONG. People are finally awake and they’re not buying the snake oil you’re selling. Governor Scott Walker will see to it that the horrendous damage Jim Doyle has done to Wisconsin will not continue.
You really think Madison has the economics to support a high speed rail so that it runs at a profit or without taxpayer subsidies.
It wont. If this rail is built, it will still require govt spending to keep it float as it the economics of scale is not there.
I can explain it in one word: CONTROL Take any liberal position on anything and you will see that that is what it all boils down to.
The only dimwit is you who doesn’t realize the era of train travel passed 4 yrs ago. if it wasn’t a bonehead idea it would have been done w/o public funds.
Pray for America
Take the fed money.
When it runs out stop building and get more fed money to convert the line to a “green way”.
Money, money, money... thrown away.
You support crushingly expensive infrastructure that will never, ever operate at a profit. The cost of this infrastructure will eventually be borne by the state due to the growing tide of municipal defaults (see Harrisburg, also in the news this week)
The only people who will benefit from this are local landowners and unions. Local businesses will be crushed as money flows to non-wealth producers.
When it runs out stop building and get more fed money to convert the line to a “green way”.
Actually, they make wonderful bicycle paths after the tracks have been removed to provide landscaping timbers...
So, who in Wisconsin is dying to get to St. Louis? Is Amtrak seeing ridership increases? Don’t think so. The rail is a boondoggle and a waste of time.
When I was a kid growing up, the railroads were responsible for their own tracks. Surveying, building, & maintaining their own tracks was the responsibility of the railroad company.
Not the taxpayers.
How many acres of good farmland will be disturbed?
This is another boondoggle.
Perhaps he questioned people in Chicago on how often they would like to get to Madison, WI and it took over 10,00 before someone didn't laugh in his face.
Realistically, he looked at what industries high speed rail attracts to an area and decided that Wisconsin had enough adult book stores and newstands.
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