Posted on 09/10/2010 11:53:13 AM PDT by jagusafr
12 US Soldiers are facing trial in the deaths of Afghan civilians - being described as cold-blooded murder.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
This reminds of an incident a number of decades ago when 1/2 dozen derelicts and a few girlfriends had driven about 20 miles out of town to go target shooting.
After about an hour or so of plinking away, a sheriff pulled up, and asked us to put the guns down and step away from the guns and vehicles, and we complied.
The sheriff explained that the area had never been a designated shooting area, and though he knew folks had used it as such for years w/o any problems, he was directed to chase us out of there with threats of huge fines and oh btw he needed to search us and our vehicles before he let us go.
He was just about done, when he pulled a pill bottle full of leafy green substance (this was pre bud days, you know, drum brakes, no shoulder harness, airbags or starboard side mirrors, not to mention automatic lights & wipers...) from my buddy's truck.
His girlfriend was suddenly afflicted by a gigantic case of the hedidits, and everyone was so amused at her theatrics that nobody seemed upset that she'd been holding out on us. During a brief lull in her finger pointing, the Sheriff again asked her point blank if the green he found in her purse belonged to her, and once again she was vehement in her denial.
"So why does it have your name on it!?" the Sheriff demanded as he held the pill bottle out and pointed to the Rx label with her name on it.
I swear the blood drained from her face so fast I thought she was going to grow fangs and flutter away, while the Sheriff was on the verge of losing his composure to the same group guffaws that had us weak at the knees, and left before it was too obvious.
Some people will say the strangest things when they think they're in trouble.
‘Is there another way to hang people?’
Yes, as part of ‘drawing and quartering’. First the felon is hanged by the neck, but not until dead, then cut down while still alive, then they are stretched out on a rack, then their entrails are cut out of their body and burned in front of their eyes, then their head and limbs are cut off and their body is cut into four parts. A version of this punishment was the prescribed method of executing traitors in Britain until Victoria’s reign. It is an example of what the Constitution means by ‘cruel and unusual punishments’.
I’d like say something about this, offer an opinion. But I would come across as a bloodthirsty barbarian. While I am a bloodthirsty barbarian, no use hacking the same dead horse to even smaller pieces.
I have it on good authority the Holmes has retained one of the top civilian law firms-military defense lawyers.
I also heard there is a good possibility some of this is may be true. Think Kurtz from Apocalypse Now. But hopefully, one of these days, a seeming miracle will occur. In this topsy turvy world, SH!+ WILL RUN UPHILL.
“Apples, meet oranges. We aren’t talking about collateral damage casualties. We’re talking about the intentional targeting and murdering of individual civilians.”
Did we “intentionally target” civilians when we firebombed Tokyo and dropped two Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? When we bombed German cities were they full of soldiers or civilians? It was WAR and we did some awful things to win it.
We don’t know all the facts about this incident. Until we do what is the sense in discussing it
Thanks for the info, bhfred. I hadn’t heard of these incidents prior to today. Is “Holmes” one of the twelve accused, but not one of the five accused of premeditated murder?
I was apprised of this some time back. About 3 months ago or more. The family got some "close personal advice". To tell this soldier to fire his JAG, shut his mouth, and hire the best civilian/military attorney they (he) could afford. I'm told they (he) did.
‘It was WAR and we did some awful things to win it.’
As you are aware civilian bombing victims are considered collateral damage. Deliberately killing an unarmed civilian is considered homicide.
I look at it this way. Every one (we) kill now is one less to kill later.
Good grief. Where to begin.
There is a WIDE divide between a President, or a theater commander, ordering an attack on military industrial targets that pose a high-risk of collateral damage, and the actions of a squad leader or platoon sergeant killing people in a fit of rage, quest for entertainment or in a drug-induced haze.
The "firebombing" of Tokyo wasn't a "firebombing" it was a systematic dismantling of the Japanese industrial complex. Put another way, it was the ending of Japan's ability to project force, to wage war. The mass fires that swept through Tokyo were not intentional. We targeted plainly military or military industrial complex installations. Nothing more. Of course, weapons then weren't nearly as precise as weapons today. As such, many did not hit their intended target.
Moreover, for months prior to the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima - actually almost immediately from the time of the fall of Saipan - leaflets, in Japanese, were dropped warning the people of Japan to evacuate 35 cities. The number of leaflets was so significant, their weight was measured in the millions of tons. The leaflets - which have been denied by contemporary anti-war activists in an attempt to revise history - were having such an impact on the civilian Japanese psyche, that the Imperial government made it illegal to possess them. Those who heeded the warning to evacuate were spared. Those who didn't, weren't. We asked them for months to leave - hardly "targeting" them. You don't tell you target to run, if you really want to kill them, do you?
As I said, there were crimes committed against civilians by US forces in WWII. Over 130 Americans were executed for those crimes. That is what happens when US soldiers intentionally target civilians. Why should our service members in Iraq and Afghanistan be held to a lower standards than their peers were held in WWII?
They shouldn't. If these allegations are true, they deserve the justice that will be meted out.
Kill them all and let God sort them out. If allah is god then they'll have no problems. If he's not (and he is not) then we just saved countless lives that these moslems would have murdered eventually.
Thanks for the additional information, bhfred. Glad to hear he has good civilian representation.
‘I look at it this way. Every one (we) kill now is one less to kill later.’
Start with kids under five years old. They will be easier.
‘Kill them all and let God sort them out.’
See #94.
Are you drunk? This is perhaps the most vial sentiment I have ever seen posted on this forum. Even as a joke, it's disgusting.
I see you don't follow me around here much.
Start with kids under five years old. They will be easier.
You kinda have to when the MAM's use them as shields. ;-))
This is perhaps the most vital sentiment I have ever seen posted on this forum
There. Fixed it.
There is a marked difference in bombing Dresden pursuant to orders from the chain of command to rogue acts of soldiers allegedly shooting civilians for sport.
“The “firebombing” of Tokyo wasn’t a “firebombing” it was a systematic dismantling of the Japanese industrial complex. Put another way, it was the ending of Japan’s ability to project force, to wage war. The mass fires that swept through Tokyo were not intentional. We targeted plainly military or military industrial complex installations. Nothing more. Of course, weapons then weren’t nearly as precise as weapons today. As such, many did not hit their intended target.”
The city of Tokyo WAS targeted by the U.S. Army Air Force. They used incendiary bombs. What is the purpose of incendiary bombs? To start FIRES. It was a firebombing. I understand that military manufacturing was done in many areas spread throughout the city of Tokyo. It was a strategic decision made by Curtis LeMay to target Tokyo for this reason. To say “we targeted plainly military or military industrial complex installations. NOTHING MORE.” simply doesn’t square with the facts.
Surely, based on your excellent knowledge of WWII history, you were aware of this.
What kind of bombs did LeMay order to be dropped on Tokyo
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