Posted on 09/10/2010 10:31:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
WHICH IS MORE EVIL TO BURN A RELIGIOUS BOOK OR TO COMMAND THE BURNING AND SLAUGHTER OF THE FOLLOWERS OF OTHER RELIGIONS?
The prophet Muhammad is known for his hatred towards Christians and Jews. He called them apes and pigs and ordered their slaughter and in one case he commaded his Mujahideen fighters to burn them with fire.
While Osama bin Zayd, preparing his troops to invade the Christian lands, the prophet Muhammad commanded him saying, "attack them in the darkness of the dawn and fall on them killing and burn them with fire and invade them and return with the booty." Those words of the prophet Muhammad could be found in the most authentic Islamic books which are known as the Mothers of the Islamic Books and approved by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif University. Just to mention few of them (Ibn Habib in al-Mahabir p 117, Ibn Kathir in al-Bedaiah wa al-Nihaiah p 139, 143, Ibn Said al-Nas in 'Auion al-Atharig p 145, al-Suhili in Rawd Alanif p 24, Ibn Hisham p 245, and al-Tabari in Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Milook p 156).
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jiziyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low” [Another translation says] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”
Bukhari: V5 hadith no. 727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘that is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”
The Slaughter of the Jewish tribe of Bani Qurizah,
Muhammad: Oh brothers of monkeys and pigs
The trembling Jews replied: Oh Abu al-Qasim, you have not been a bad man!! (Ibid; 392, quoting from Ibn Kathir, al-Bedayia p. 120).
The prophet called out to them: Oh brothers of monkeys. Does Allah disappointed you and send on you his curse?
The Qurizah understood the message and replied in fear: Oh Abi al-Qasim, you have not been an ignorant man (Ibid, quoting from al-Bihaqi, al-Tarikh p. 582).
The Jews of Qurizah continued to plead with Muhammad `and beg him to send to them one of their allies, a man by the name of Abi Libabah bin Abd al-Nuziar al-Awasi.
When Abi Libabah entered their garrison, the men rose, the women wept, and the children cried to him. When he saw them he had pity on them.
They said to him: oh Abi Libabah, do you think we should go out for the judgment of Muhammad?
He said, yes, and then he passed his finger across his neck, which means, the slaughter.
Then their leader, Ka'ab bin Asaad said to his people: Let us follow Muhammad and believe in him.
They replied: We will not leave the judgment of the Torah forever.
He said to them: Then let us kill our children and women and go out to Muhammad.
They said: Shall we kill these harmless children and women? What is the good of life after them? (Al-Qimni 2004: 393-394, quoting from al-Tabari p. 583).
Finally the men of Bani Qurizah decided to go out and meet Muhammad hoping that the other Medinian tribes would intercede with the Prophet and request him to send them with their women and children out of Yathrib as he did before with the other two Jewish tribes. As soon as the Jewish men emerged out of their garrison, the prophet ordered his men to bind them with ropes and march them in a long queue (Ibid: 394, quoting from al-Tabari, al-Tarikh p. 583). Then the prophet asked his men to dig many ditches inside the city (Ibid). After so many pleadings from the leaders of the Medinian tribes of al-Khaziriq and al-Awas, Muhammad agreed that Sa'ad bin Mu'aaz should decide the fate of the Jews (Ibid, quoting from al-Tabari p. 586).
Al-Tabari narrated that Sa'ad bin Mu'aaz was dying. During the siege of the city, an arrow hit his hand and caused a cut on one of his nerves. The prophet tried to heal him by heating a nail and burning the nerve. In doing that Muhammad thought the bleeding would stop. However, the burning nail worsened the cut and caused the nerve to swell. When the Prophet repeated the same treatment the nerve exploded (Ibid: 395). In his dying state Sa'ad was carried to the Prophet. When Muhammad saw him he ordered the Jews to stand to their Master. "When Sa'ad was put down by his carriers the prophet asked him to judge on them. He said, I judge on them that the men should be put to death, their wealth divided, and their women distributed as jawari among the Muslims. The prophet said to him, you have judged on them with the judgment of Allah that has been given to you from seven heavens" (Ibid: 395, quoting al-Tabari, al-Tarikh p. 586).
The horrifying slaughter was described by al-Tabari as follows:
They brought first the enemy of Allah, Huaya bin Akhatab, while his hands were bound to his neck by a rope. (Huaya was the father of Safiya bint Huaya whom the Prophet killed her husband and brother and took her as his wife). When Huaya saw the Messenger of Allah, he said to him, I swear by God, I have never blamed myself for your enmity. Then, Huaya turned to the people and said, oh people there is no fear from the judgment and the Book of God, it is an honor written by God to the children of Israel to die as martyrs. Then, he sat down and his neck was beheaded… Ali bin Talib and al-Zibiar continued to strike their necks… It is assumed that their blood reached the oilstones that are at the market (Ibid: 396, quoting from al-Tabari, al-Tarikh pp. 588-589).
The narrators of the sira differed in the number of the Jewish men who were killed on that fateful day. Some said six hundred, some seven hundred, some eight hundred, and some nine hundred (Ibid: 396). Al-Qimni states, “And we learn from our heritage a new thing happened in that slaughter. The slaughter was not restricted to men only, but included little boys too” (Ibid: 398 referring to al-Tabari p. 591). Then the victims were buried in those big holes or ditches that the Muslims dug.
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it's only 42 seconds for you, for them, it's a lifetime... burnt offerings http://videogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/Video.aspx?s=5&vid=2107
sorry... the link no longer works, my bad.
I like it, wade through piles of progressive scum, and in the highest level you get to pop Mohammad a 3rd eye..
sure , man they would be pissed...
Yeah, I'll bet a good ambulance chaser could have put the old squeeze play on the invisible High God of Israel, Infinite Logos, Author of the Universe, and Ontos On in family court and got Hagar a sweet deal.
Islam is a war plan.
Christians still care about who their public face is.
Well before the Koran burning issue arose, Jones was a Phelps loving kook.
I find it troublesome that little more has been made widely known about Jones. It’s like all these Christians who are rah-rahing his Koran burning publicity stunt think he would fit perfectly in their pews. I don’t think so.
..... to what the caliphs were doing at the same time in northern India. Oooooo! that looks bad. Yup, Moslems still bloodier and nastier.
Back to the polemical drawing board.
That having been said this post is a great point. We hear all of the time that Islam is a peaceful religion and that only the radical fringe are troublemakers. All of Islam is not responsible. Well, does Mohammad count as one of those radical few?
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. We will make no offense to our fellow man except for the offense of the Cross. We serve Christ and him crucified, and the day will come when every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Then to those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord he will say, "Depart from me ye workers of iniquity into everlasting fire." Jesus will burn the Koran, I don't need to.
Mohammad, Buddha, Gandhi, you and I will all be in that group that kneels before the King. The question is simply will you be on the RIGHT or the LEFT. Whether it offends them or not that is just true. I invite you to come to the right and kneel to the King.
Almost no Christian would stand by Luther’s comments, even if they were meant literally. Contrast that with Muslim behavior and belief.
So what’s your point? Why did you bring Luther’s error into this?
A very interesting post. You make a very strong case.
That's funny!
And his religion certainly has ZERO to do with my opinion of our Gov officials, Generals, Federal law enforcement, world gov leaders, Interpol, and Islamic terrorists threatening a private citizen with death.
These gov officials who have been telling us since 9/11 that Islam is a religion of peace, and its adherents are capable of living in a civilized and free society, and that we should send our sons and daughters to die for them. That if given a chance, their moderates will defeat their radicals.
And this old man in Fla, has unwittingly proved them all liars. As has the government-called moderate Imam who demands a mosque at GZ, and threatens violence if he is denied. And our government officials have given long speeches in support of this Imam.
For if a private citizen can provoke such FEAR of Islam by government officials and Generals, forcing them to give a Koran a status that American icons (bibles,Flags) themselves do NOT enjoy, then we are allowing them to set up a double standard, another step closer to special protections for Islam.
If burning Korans is going to get our guys killed, then we should bring them all home. Afghanistan and Iraq aren’t worth our efforts anymore. Efforts to win hearts and minds have obviously failed.
So no, men like Jones will come and go, when another one pops up....surely he/she will be majorly flawed also.
Do not worry about the worthiness of a stranger in the pew next to you...they have no power over you, but your government officials, and the Islamists do.
We have been successful in our campaign thus far and encourage and invite all who have an opportunity to spread this awesome pet naming campaign.
then it sounds like this needs to be encouragement passed along to friends and family... after all, we can’t speak ill of the ROP or do anything to their books (as if they were written on gold) so this is a perfect opportunity to show proper “respect” to their prophet.
Also, a muslim will never get mad for being sacrilegious about allah but will start chopping heads at the negative mention of muhammad.
When I’m by myself, I don’t mind doing things. It’s when I have someone I love in the vacinity, that I’m more circumspect.
I believe in calling like I see it concerning issues like this. And I’m referring to the ‘in public’ aspect of it.
Take care...
This is no stranger in a pew any more. This is someone who has forced himself into the limelight as a “Christian.” Actual Christians should care about whether he is a fair representation, and if he isn’t, should not be bashful about saying so.
I fear, in this brouhaha, a loss of Christian focus on its central tenet of salvation of eternal souls, of “whosoever will.” Do Christians care about salvation of eternal souls enough to refrain from burning bridges (never mind books)?
Christians are promised suffering; they don’t have any imperative to seek it out or to gratuitously provoke it (suffering will find them just fine as they obey the Lord), but vacations from suffering are not the norm for Christians on this mortal coil. Some of the worst earthly times for churches have been some of the best times for saving souls. I just want to see some perspective here.
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