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Aftermath'--William Shatner interviews Ruby Ridge massacre survivor
Examiner.com ^ | September 8th, 2010 | Anthony G. Martin

Posted on 09/08/2010 1:45:28 PM PDT by Copernicus

This report delineates the various atrocities--and their consequences--committed at the hands of a rogue federal government.

The gist of the atrocities committed in the government-initiated massacre can be summed up in the words of the FBI Deputy Assistant Director Danny Coulson, who wrote the following memo at the time:

'Memo: OPR 004477 Something to Consider 1. Charge against Weaver is Bull $@it. 2. No one saw Weaver do any shooting. 3. Vicki has no charges against her. 4. Weaver's defense. He ran down the hill to see what dog was barking at. Some guys in camys shot his dog. Started shooting at him. Killed his son. Harris did the shooting [of Degan]. He [Weaver] is in pretty strong legal position."'

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; conservative; examiner; georgehwbush; rkba; rubyridge; weaver
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To: AvOrdVet
She has Parkinson's Disease, but as far as I know she's still shaking it somewhere in Florida.
61 posted on 09/08/2010 3:58:11 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: DainBramage

Less a hero than a victim that many have empathy for. A shotgun that is sawed off a bit shorter than the law says is o.k. is hardly justification for killing a young boy and his mother.


62 posted on 09/08/2010 4:02:00 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: TigersEye
I havent been corrected at all. I said he was killed, meaning his son, I am correct he was at a white supremacist meeting and agreed to sell guns to who he thought was a white supremacist. He did pull a gun on a deputy who had stopped him. He did endanger the lives of his son and wife needlessly and payed a heavy price...way too heavy. He was a tax evading, jew hating, white supremacist wanna be.

I agree some of the agents should have gone to jail for breaking the law, but I also think he should be in jail or at least served a prison term.

I find it funny you think all citizens break the law like he did. I dont. I wouldnt refuse to appear in court. I wouldnt saw off shotguns for anybody period. I wouldnt refuse to pay taxes owed. I would however protest too high taxes and vote to change the law. Breaking the law is breaking the law....period.

63 posted on 09/08/2010 4:02:27 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: count-your-change
Never said it justified killing his son. Im not sure about his wife who was armed and stood in front of a window or door.

Remember shots had already been fired by the boy if I recall. Things had escalated way out of control. I would never have put my family in that sort of situation.

64 posted on 09/08/2010 4:08:11 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: IMR 4350
She has Parkinson's Disease, but as far as I know she's still shaking it somewhere in Florida.

ROFLMAO... You are soooo bad! but right on point!

65 posted on 09/08/2010 4:10:27 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: DainBramage
I am correct he was at a white supremacist meeting and agreed to sell guns to who he thought was a white supremacist.

No you're not.

I find it funny you think all citizens break the law like he did.

I didn't say that but I'm not surprised that you would twist my words.

66 posted on 09/08/2010 4:22:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: DainBramage
A kindly suggestion: If you're not sure of what you're talking about....do a a bit of research. His wife was “armed” only with a baby.

What you or anyone else would have done is beside the point. Who knows what Weaver would have done if it could be all done over again? The point is what actually DID happen, not could’ve would've should’ve.

67 posted on 09/08/2010 4:30:20 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: TigersEye
There is nothing interesting or unusual about a citizen committing some crimes.
68 posted on 09/08/2010 4:42:05 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: AvOrdVet
Whaaaat?

Bad?

ME?

It takes two to catch me cause I'm gunna deny it.

69 posted on 09/08/2010 4:44:33 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: DainBramage

And your point is? That that statement automatically means ALL citizens? LOL No wonder you make so many mistakes recounting things.


70 posted on 09/08/2010 4:49:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: count-your-change
I meant to write "his wife who was near someone who was armed standing in front of a window or door". Whats his name? Harris? Lost it in copy and paste.

I have researched this several times over the years. One can no more trust the accounts of Weaver and his followers than Lon Horuchi IMO. They are all over the place. I do know this, both parties were at fault in allot of ways. Vickie was a nut, just like Weaver, just like Gritz and a bunch more involved in this. She didnt deserve to die, but she sure deserved prison if she had lived. If not for reckless endangerment of her children.

71 posted on 09/08/2010 5:00:30 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
"I find it funny you think all citizens break the law like he did. I dont. I wouldnt refuse to appear in court. I wouldnt saw off shotguns for anybody period. I wouldnt refuse to pay taxes owed. I would however protest too high taxes and vote to change the law. Breaking the law is breaking the law....period.

Does the term "useful idiot*" mean anything to you? It should, since you seem to be intimately involved in actions that one would associate with such a person.

* Quote from V. Lenin.

72 posted on 09/08/2010 5:10:30 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: DainBramage
I meant to write ...

This is getting hilarious. What percentage of your posts do you have to use that preface for? LOL

73 posted on 09/08/2010 5:15:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: DainBramage
IF, IF you have researched this “several times over the years” whose accounts did you read? Newspapers? They're always reliable, right? Blogs? Rock solid too, right?
Pundits? Fountains of truth, always!

Weaver's followers? Who might that be? Vickie a nut? How do you know? You think you know what she deserved and didn't deserve? Right.
You make all these assertions without a bit of support and claim others are all over the place. Right.

“I meant to write “his wife who was near someone who was armed standing in front of a window or door”. Whats his name? Harris? Lost it in copy and paste.”

Sounds like the dog ate your “research” somewhere between the cut and the paste or the door and window or who knows...

74 posted on 09/08/2010 5:42:40 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: TigersEye
Its true...Im doing alot of things right now and responding to you at the same time, so I rewrote part and cut and pasted and left part off I guess.

I havent been wrong on anything Ive said. Including your assertion that every citizen breaks laws like he did.

Your lapdogging for a white supremacist is just as humorous. Not to mention you wont admit even a small reponsibility on Weavers part. Its obvious to any right thinking person.

Surely you dont think the LEOs shot his wife on purpose? If I recall it hit her and Harris. I admit I find that extremely unprofessional of any sniper unless they couldnt see her behind him at the door. But she could have taken her kids and left at any time. One white flag would stopped it all.

One thing Id like to know....where do you get your first hand Gods honest truth knowledge? (/snort)

75 posted on 09/08/2010 5:52:12 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
Including your assertion that every citizen breaks laws like he did.

Apparently your reading comprehension is nil.

76 posted on 09/08/2010 5:56:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: count-your-change
Where did I say she deserved death? She was no less a criminal than Weaver as far as tax evasion, resisting arrest, endangering her children, etc. she was just as big a crazy extremist as he was.

Do you think they shot her on purpose? The ROE allowed shooting armed males I believe, why would they try to kill her.

She was in a dangerous standoff with her baby and son with her and chose to ride it out thereby endangering them both. JMO

77 posted on 09/08/2010 5:57:29 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: TigersEye

Its hard to comprehend alot of crap your denying. As with most who run out of fact you resort to insults. Ouch Im cut to the bone.


78 posted on 09/08/2010 6:00:19 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
Your lapdogging for a white supremacist is just as humorous.

Your twisting of words is bordering on ad-hominem. I haven't written one word in support of Weaver's illegal actions. You can either back that up with a quote of mine or, more likely, more of your word twisting.

Not to mention you wont admit even a small reponsibility on Weavers part.

I won't admit any responsibility on his part for illegal and immoral actions taken by government agents. That would be idiotic. Cause and effect, ie personal responsibility for one's actions, doesn't work that way.

Its obvious to any right thinking person.

How would you know? Even if a right thinking person told you that it's doubtful you could keep it straight.

79 posted on 09/08/2010 6:00:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: DainBramage
Surely you dont think the LEOs shot his wife on purpose?

An FBI sniper shot her by accident? If you really wanted to support that contention you could look up Horiuchi's court testimony.

If I recall it hit her and Harris.

If you recall, maybe, might be, could have happened... You make blind speculation a real art.

80 posted on 09/08/2010 6:05:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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