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1 posted on 09/02/2010 2:24:53 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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2 posted on 09/02/2010 2:26:26 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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Nobody is ever going to make Obama prove he is a natural-born citizen - nobody.


3 posted on 09/02/2010 2:28:10 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (Proud Infidel)
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So soldiers should obey obama orders to go into battle rather than “embarrass” him

Oooo. Kay.


4 posted on 09/02/2010 2:32:42 PM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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@#(&#$%*%@$!@$*!!!


6 posted on 09/02/2010 2:33:00 PM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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If convicted, easy reversal and remand by SCOTUS.

This is a case where Def adnits the alledged action but claims justicication in doing so, so pros must show “criminal intent.” They are denying him the ability to show the lack of a “criminal state of mind,” a “mens rea” in latin, a criminal intent.


9 posted on 09/02/2010 2:40:03 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR, since 1998.)
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Army Col. Denise R. Lind

Isn't that cute. Very obedient to Big Daddy in the White House and the Pentagon bureaucracy, I see. Who needs law?

Chesterton had some key observations on the psychology of work.

10 posted on 09/02/2010 2:43:33 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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it should be Congress that would call for impeachment of a sitting president.

Why did she jump to the conclusion about impeachment, his suit is NOT about impeachment, it is about eligibility.

11 posted on 09/02/2010 2:47:21 PM PDT by panthermom
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This was predictable. Lakin is throwing away a distinguished career and at the end of the day will have nothing to show for it.


13 posted on 09/02/2010 2:50:51 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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it should be Congress that would call for impeachment of a sitting president.

I have to agree with the decision. Even though I am convinced that Hussein was born in Kenya, he should rightfully ignore a court order to produce his certificate. If only the courts would be so respectful of separation of powers in all cases.

18 posted on 09/02/2010 2:56:13 PM PDT by Jacquerie (There isn't a single problem threatening our republic that cannot be attributed to democrats.)
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Once again, the esily predictable happens.

Quelle surprise.


21 posted on 09/02/2010 3:01:44 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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Army Col. Denise R. Lind would have willingly supported
both Hitler and the 911 Atrocities.

Then again, he is helping the creators of both.


22 posted on 09/02/2010 3:04:33 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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If the president isn’t a liar he won’t be embarrassed!


23 posted on 09/02/2010 3:08:50 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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“Lind ruled that it was “not relevant” for the military to be considering such claims, that the laws allegedly violated by Lakin were legitimate on their face and that the chain of command led up to the Pentagon and that should have been sufficient for Lakin.”

that the chain of command led up to the Pentagon and that should have been sufficient for Lakin.”

that the chain of command led up to the Pentagon and that should have been sufficient for Lakin.”

that the chain of command led up to the Pentagon and that should have been sufficient for Lakin.”

Forget the Commander In Chief. Who cares if he’s eligible.


24 posted on 09/02/2010 3:10:55 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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She said opening up such evidence could be an "embarrassment" to the president and anyway, it should be Congress that would call for impeachment of a sitting president.

Is "embarrassment" to a principle in a court case a reason to deny the defendant their choice of defense? Has Lakin called for 0bama's impeachment? If not that's just a straw man. This judge has been bought.

26 posted on 09/02/2010 3:26:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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Considering the documents that LTC Lakin is requesting are ones that other Presidents have voluntarily released, what exactly is the “embarressment” she is referring to???


32 posted on 09/02/2010 3:43:45 PM PDT by mrsadams
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What a coward, and moreover, he’s entitled to whatever defense he wants as long as its legal, and this one is.

Sorry, judge, I like this defense just fine. Sorry if it embarrasses your boss, but then there is no law against that. He’s doing a fine job by himself anyway.


42 posted on 09/02/2010 4:29:07 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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Now watch the interlocutory appeal process begin.


78 posted on 09/02/2010 6:33:44 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/ic05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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I’m sure that the Commander in Chief is not going to sit by and allow a distinguished flight surgeon
to immolate his career and possibly wind up in Leavenworth
because of doubts about his sealed birth certificate.
The Commander in Chief is probably ordering his staff , as we speak ,
to contact the appropriate authorities and have all documents unsealed
and all doubts allayed.
It’s hard to imagine that any CinC would allow citizens, especially members of the Armed Forces, in war time,
to have doubts about his eligibility .
In fact, the CinC is probably highly embarrassed that his birth certificate and
“ other original vital records “ have been sealed and will sincerely
apologize to all citizens for giving the appearance
that he is hiding something .
No doubt he is very ashamed that his stubborn refusal to open his records has caused so much turmoil ,
expense , ridicule and
career jeopardy to members of the military and other citizens.
The media firestorm accompanying the sealed birth certificate
and other sealed original vital records was most likely not a factor
in ordering them unsealed.
It will be done because the Commander in Chief believes it is the honorable and decent thing to do
in the spirit of transparency and full disclosure.
But, most of all because he has such high regard for the military and their service
and could not sleep if just one soldier in harm’s way had doubts.
Just kidding..


92 posted on 09/02/2010 7:28:35 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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SvenMagnussen 03. Sep, 2010 at 8:13 pm

You’re quoting from an opinion written concerning a civil suit.

Lakin’s case is a criminal matter and he has a right to a defense, even if it embarrasses the CiC.

The convening authority can drop the charges or allow the defendant to defend himself against the charges.

See The Right to Present a Defense by Mark Mahoney.

http://www.harringtonmahoney.com/publications/Rtpad2009%20v1.pdf

Found at ObamaConspiracy


200 posted on 09/04/2010 9:15:16 AM PDT by rosettasister
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To: Smokeyblue; butterdezillion; wintertime
Another important point.

Every time this is discussed, every time it makes the news, another 1% of the population say...... “Hummmm. There may just be something to this.”

In addition, never forget what this entire litigation shows us. Under Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, an attorney bringing a case where other courts have ruled on the core matter, can be sanctioned for bringing a frivolous matter,

For example if an attorney were to sue the Roman Catholic Church because a hurricane, an “Act of God,” destroyed a client's property, that attorney could be sanctioned by the Court.

If Obama would ever produce the birth cert, it would be all over, but they do not, because they can't!

If Obama ever produced the cert, any lawyer bringing another such case could be fined, suspended or even lose his or her "union card."

Obama’s attack on plaintiff's standing as opposed to the core issue tells us they cannot defend the core issue.

250 posted on 09/04/2010 7:54:00 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR, since 1998.)
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