Question. Can "We" as citizens call for impeachment of the President and can we do it by ballot?

[jongaltsr]

Question. Can "We" as citizens call for impeachment of the President and can we do it by ballot?

I know the Senate and House have procedures to do so - but - can we as citizens bypass them and demand impeachment by ballot or other more expedient means.

Would love to find someone who is more knowledgeable on the ins and outs of impeachment.

I would love to get your two cents on this subject but meanwhile if there are any constitutional scholars who know of other methods of getting rid of this "dolt", I would love to explore the possibilities.

Thanks "Ya all".

[The Comedian]

What charge would the impeachment be based upon?

Acting as an un-registered agent of a foreign government. (Mexican invasion enablement and attacks on states and officers, offshore drilling ban for benefit of Saudis)

Criminal negligence (causing Afghan war causalities to skyrocket under his RoE, placing provable incompetents and traitors in positions of authority) .

Dereliction of duty (All vacation, all the time).

And the kicker: Fraud due to ineligibility to hold office.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[DoughtyOne]

Actually, as much as I would like to see Obama thrown out on his kiester, imagine what it would be like with elections all the time to remove a president. Bush would have had at least ten such elections during his terms alone.

How do you conduct business with allies under that cloud?

While Congress and the Senate have the task, and abdicated it with regard to Clinton and Obama, I do see impeachment as a last resort, deferring to four year elections.

In Obama’s case, I do believe a careful study of his actions would result in grounds being found to remove him.

This is why it is vitally important to remove people like McCain when we get the chance.

We can’t go around trashing everyone in sight because of what they do, then rubber stamp them when they come up for re-election.

Arizona voters screwed the whole nation over when they picked McCain this month. With guys like this, you’ll never get rid of an Obama. You can take that to the bank.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

If you wanted to impeach the president for supersceding his authority, you would have to impeach every president from Washington on.

[jongaltsr]

All impeachment power under the constitution is invested in Congress. The House votes for “articles of impeachment”, which if passed the person is “impeached”. A subsequent trial takes place in the senate. If the person is found guilty there by 2/3 majority, he is removed from office.
Ya, ya, ya.
We already know all that.
I'm looking for alternatives
Congress finds it hard to get rid of one of their own for the very reason that "We The People" might once again regain power over them.
Give me alternatives, not the obvious methods that we and "Congress" are already aware of.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

It’s called voting.

[scott7278]

You can call for the impeachment of the president, but it has to be done through Congress. It’s a wise protection against the tyranny of the majority.

Now, we do have a tyranny of Congress, so November is when we have to go “All-In.”

[tx_eggman]

Because there are still people here who know nothing about the Constitution of the United States.

[scott7278]

It actually would be against the spirit of the Constitution, which provides for a representative Republic, not a direct democracy. You do not want to go down that road.

[jongaltsr]

I love your response to Cletus.
Ha
In your face BO

[blade_tenner]

No.. that has to happen in the House. Then a trial in the Senate. For some reason, the Senate is loathe to toss a President out. The Repub-controlled Senate couldn’t muster even a simple majority on either count against WJC. I believe 2/3 is required.

I know I know, the sight of him in our White House... it just feels wrong. But we’ll have to wait until 2012 to get our country back.

[Cboldt]

-- He was elected by the citizens on a ballot - why can't he be impeached on a ballot? --

Election involvement of the general public is indirect. If you look at a ballot for a presidential election, you will see that you are actually voting for an elector whop has a political party affiliation. The candidates' names are provided (on the ballot) as a crutch for the voter.

Come late December, the electors send their votes to Congress; and come January, the votes of the electors are counted before a joint session of Congress. Members of Congress have the right and duty to challenge any votes that may be inform, for whatever reason. The Democrats challenged Ohio's electoral votes in the 2004 election. Other challenges can be raised that the candidate is not qualified.

The mechanism for removal is set forth in the constitution: impeachment by a simple majority of the House, and conviction by 2/3rds of the Senate. Congress being fundamentally a political organ, if a sufficient majority of the voting public demanded impeachment, impeachment would happen. Congressmen who believe they will be unseated for failure to follow the will of the people, will respond.

[Uncle Ike]

” Give me alternatives, not the obvious methods that we and “Congress” are already aware of. “

Of course, we could just ignore the Constitution completely, when it inconveniently doesn’t fit our agenda- then we’d be just like the Liberals...

[tx_eggman]

Give me alternatives, not the obvious methods that we and "Congress" are already aware of.

There are NO alternatives to the Constitutional processes ... unless you'd prefer another form of government.

What part of this don't you understand.

[Mad Dawgg]

"He was elected by the citizens on a ballot - why can’t he be impeached on a ballot?"

Because our form of Government is a "Constitutional Republic" not a Democracy.

Your first error is thinking that the citizens elected the President. They did not. Read up on the "Electoral College"...

[Boxsford]

Lol!

[scott7278]

Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors, for which the case must be tried before the House and if impeached, then the penalty phase (removal) is enforced by the Senate.

That is a much better way of doing things than having a banana republic, at the whims of the people who can’t even be consistent with American Idol.

If he was elected by the citizens on a ballot, he can be removed by the citizens on a ballot - the next election. Let’s not turn us into a kangaroo court.

[scott7278]

Recalls were a product of the first Progressive Era.

Great point, along with the income tax and the direct election of senators (if the original Constitution were followed on that point, we wouldn't have this mess today).

[marstegreg]

All impeachment power under the constitution is invested in Congress. The House votes for “articles of impeachment”, which if passed the person is “impeached”. A subsequent trial takes place in the senate. If the person is found guilty there by 2/3 majority, he is removed from office.

We will soon retake the House and the Senate. Just sayin’.

[Mad Dawgg]

"Give me alternatives, not the obvious methods that we and "Congress" are already aware of."

The closest Method that fits your idea of "the people" removing Obama from office is by way of a Constitutional Convention (and even then it has to be done through your States Representative) which would literally take years if not decades to get the Amendment through the process and Obama would be long gone from office by then.

[scott7278]

Why am I answering these questions on FR?

LOL. I think.