to start that old canard shows you are are either ignorant of the Mormon beliefs or willingly pushing the falsehood.
No. one: Why is the name of the church "The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints?"
Second, who are YOU to decide who does and who does not believe in Jesus as the Christ - i.e., Christians?
Your statement/protestations put you in the same class as these progressive/Marxists elitist and upside down arguments.
Actually, the Mormon Church structure follows that of the original Christians as laid out in the Bible...and BTW, their "BIBLE" is THE BIBLE, the King James Version, which they revere and study from Gen 1:1 to the very last verse of Revelations.
Obviously, there are differences in approaches by many many Christian churches - else there wouldn't be so many different denominations.
People with your attitude would throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Beck has done a Herculean job at educating a wide swath of Americans who hadn't a clue what the Constitution really is, what freedoms our fore fathers guarenteed us, and how they're being stolen.
THAT is the message. And that wake up call may be the horseshoe nail that will save this country.
Let's not be shooting our own.
Amen and well said.
You do know don't you that Joseph Smith, in his rewrite of the Bible, interjected his own name at the end of Genesis?
What parts of the Mormon Bible that weren't printed word for word from the K.J.V. is pure rubbish. Their entire religion is based on the word of an adulterous, pedophile, liar and fraud. They have Christ in their name? Gee, if I change my middle name to billionaire, will that make me one?
They do not worship the same Jesus I do and that's by their own admission.
A "god" didn't come down and have actual sexual intercourse with Mary to conceive Jesus, not my Jesus anyway. Sorry, but there's a huge, huge gulf between Mormons and Christians.
I know you will have some witty come back and I am leaving town in a few minutes, I'll read your reply when I get back in a day or two.
Why is the name of the church “The Church of jesus christ of Latter Day Saints?”
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Yes why is that ???
When mormons dont worship the LORD Jesus Chris of the Christian Bible...
But sure stick up for their mormon god and savior Joey Smith...
Even to singing praise songs to him instead of the Jesus...
“No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial Kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph. . . .” “He reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling as God does in heaven.” Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, 289.
“He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be.”
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
“You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god...”
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
“If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]”
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God”
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
“I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God;
Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155)
“If I ever pass into heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of Prophet Joseph”
—Brigham Young
—JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
Not the same Jesus
“There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ.
No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”
– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)
“It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, May 1977, p. 26
Thank you for this post, Maine-iac! As a Catholic, I also lump Mormons under Christianity. Like you said, we believe in Jesus Christ; that makes us Christian by the very definition of the word.
Reading other responses to this post, it’s very obvious to me that some Christian sects are stridently against any other view of Christianity other than their own. If you’re not a Baptist or an Episcopalian or a Mennonite, you’re not a real Christian! /sarc
That being said, I hate that we’re all fighting over Beck’s Christianity. I mean, really? The man openly professes his belief in Jesus Christ to an audience of millions, and we’re sitting here saying, “He’s a Mormon! He’s not a Christian! He’s a [fill in your Mormon invective].” Take the religion out of the picture, and you have a man who’s daily struggle is to preach the Greatness of this country through it’s founding documents.
But oh, let’s not focus on the good he’s doing for the country; let’s focus on how NOT CHRISTIAN HE IS!
Really guys... get a grip.
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
Please don’t allow this thread to be turned into another anti-Mormon stomping grounds. Ignore these posters, please.
What Beck, King and others are attempting to do is God sent, IMHO.
I pray for each and every one of them, and I wish I was able to attend.
ejonesie22 just commented on this but let me add my own 2 cents.
I'm a Christian first and a conservative second. Very seldom is there anything which comes between the two but Mormonism does. I don't have any issue with Mormons being involved in the conservative movement. However, I have a real issue with people who use the conservative movement as a platform to further the false "gospel" of Mormonism.
If push came to shove and I had to chose between Christianity and conservatism, I'd chose Christ. So as long as Beck is advancing a politically conservative agenda, I won't criticize him. If Beck pushes his theological views or a misleading account of history to prop up Mormonism, I will criticize him loudly.
Your source for this is what, Beck? Either you have know idea what lds believe or you do know what they believe and you are trying to blur their blasphemy.