Posted on 08/24/2010 6:04:28 AM PDT by CitizenM
When arguing against those who support building the Islamic mosque in close proximity to where the Twin Towers fell - engulfed in flames and dust from the Jihadist attack - because Liberals feel it is the Constitutional right of Muslims to build it:
Just employ the “KISS” (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle.
Just give them the facts:
- New York City has more than 100 mosques.
- There are over 2,000 mosques in the United States.
- Other NYC property to build the Cordoba mosque has been offered, free of charge to the planners.
- No one is denying them, or opposing the right to Freedom of Religion/religious expression should they build anywhere else in NYC.
Moslems have been free to build mosques and worship without controversy in that city, and most always in locations throughout our country.
The issue of the opposition to the construction of a mosque/cultural center (whatever they are calling it now) in New York cannot, therefore, be clouded by arguing that the Islamists are being denied religious freedom or expression. They have enjoyed that freedom many times over, and may still do so.
The issue lies only with the site they have selected. It is one of location, location, location. That is not a fight with the First Amendment.
And…since, for many years, our government has denied:
The placing of Christian crosses on the roadside to honor a Veteran,
References to The Ten Commandments in or on public buildings,
Prayer in schools and public places,
Nativity scenes on public or government property,
The use of the Bible in the Courtroom,
And so many more restraints against Christian religious displays and expression that it is almost impossible to keep tabs. All because minorities of differing non-Christian, non-Judean religions or those with no religious beliefs might, just possibly, feel oppressed, intimidated, offended, or otherwise upset by anything related to an outward demonstration of Christianity.
So, now, equally applying that Politically Correct (as it is argued) ruling, our government should fully and specifically protect the “feelings” of the MAJORITY of Americans, especially those who suffered personal losses at Ground Zero where innocent people were murdered at the will and desire of hate filled Islamic Jihadists.
Our leaders need to listen to the millions whose sensitivities the government seems to be casting aside. It is still our country. We are offended by the placement of this building in the shadow of Hallowed Ground. We are being oppressed into accepting it There; intimidated by others who insist we are being prejudiced, and upset because the pain of that tragic day is being rekindled and will stab at our hearts and memories every time the Islamic Call to Prayer blasts out from the mosque over the blood-stained ground where Twin Towers once stood and where the lives of innocent people ended in agony.
We want OUR rights guaranteed this time!
Democracy is still alive in the USA; we have not lost it as of yet. And in this country Democracy is supposed to mean the government acquiesces to the rule of the MAJORITY. Democratic rule trumps the right of the minority to face slap us. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
Also add to this list that Mr. Mosque and his wife are travelling all over the world on our dime to preach the wonders of sharia. I’d like for the liberals to tell us where’s that “wall of separation” between mosque and state?
Good vanity..except we are not a democracy. I really wish people would quit refering to USA as a democracy we are not.
I also tend to use the text of the First Amendment in my discussion of this issue.
Congress has passed no laws regarding the “Ground Zero Mosque.” The First Amendment has not been violated.
The First Amendment does not guarantee the right for construction of a building. It only protects the free practice, which logically includes the necessities of said practice. A building is not a necessity in religious practice, so is not protected by the First.
The Constitution is written on a fifth grade reading level. It does not require interpretation. It is clear and concise, unlike legislation passed by Congress today.
Excellent points, though. Just wanted to share my own.
Leftists really need to be confronted with
“You’re a self-styled ‘liberal’ who is trying to use the Freedom of Religion argument in defense of the mosque? That’s laughable. Next you’ll be arguing for private property rights! HA! Let’s go all the way! Let’s hear your adamant defense of 2nd amendment rights!”
I marvel that democrats are stupid enough to support this thing. They are beyond tone deaf; they are running, lemming-like, into the sea.
Liberals don't deal in facts, they deal only in feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.
Facts mean nothing.
I would say yes, we have a right to express our faith. But first, explain why our President covered all expressions of Christian faith and Jesus when he spoke at Notre Dame?
I know we are a Republic with the Democratic rule of governing. So I said, specifically, "Democracy is still alive in the USA," and "And in this country Democracy is supposed to mean the government acquiesces to the rule of the MAJORITY....Democratic rule ..." Please read that section again. I assure you, that is one of my arguments, too, that people keep calling this a "Democracy."
“The Constitution is written on a fifth grade reading level. It does not require interpretation. It is clear and concise, unlike legislation passed by Congress today.”
The problem is that too many children have graduated from high school without receiving a fifth grade education.
I used to get yelled at in school for trying to remind people we have a REpublican form of government which is a representative govt. Not a mob rule democracy.
Since when has the Left ever been concerned over anyone’s religious rights? These are the same people who took God out of schools, took Christmas from the public square, and prayers from high school football games.
But let’s not stop at religious rights. When has the Left ever been concerned about the Constitution? Everything they propose is unconstitutional.
I’ve had a couple of liberal acquaintances throw that whole freedom of religion thing in my face. They always accuse me of being prejudiced against Islam.
It stops them cold when I say, “You know what I don’t like about Islam? The way they treat women and gays.”
They always look like they swallowed a rotten egg and shut up at that point.
I prefer to use seven letters and a space.
Left wingers have been chipping away at the First Amendment rights for over a decade. It is ironic that they want to employ that rule now, in support of the Islamic center at this location.
Liberals are like people caught in a revolving door...they are always "spinning."
The result is, they pretty much end up looking like the dizzy Nancy Pelosi. who can't make sense of anything because she has been revolving around and around so long in her spin-a-new-lie life.
Point well taken.
Islam isn't a religion. It is a military organization. The first amendment cannot apply to a "religion" that believes in imposing laws suppressing other religions.
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I am in agreement with that. Thanks for your comment. But that is an issue for another argument. I tried to keep this post on focus about how the Liberals are trying to turn this opposition into a fight about religion (as most view Islam.) That seems to be the focus of left wingers...because they are so stupidly unaware of and insensitive to the real issue.
Love it! Throw it right back at them. Such hypocrites!
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