Posted on 08/21/2010 5:39:13 PM PDT by NoLibZone
The Vatican has joined in criticism of the French government for a campaign to round up and deport Gypsies living illegally in the country.
French immigration authorities put 130 members of the Gypsy, or “Roma,” minority on a plane to Romania on August 19. The previous day, another 86 had left. While French officials say that the departures are voluntary, they have threatened to expel any Roma people who decline to leave voluntarily. The flights followed a roundup of illegal immigrants living in Gypsy camps.
Archbishop Agostino Marchetto, the secretary of the Pontifical Commission for Migrants, said that it was “against European norms” to expel members of a particular minority group. “One cannot generalize and take an entire group of people and kick them out,” he argued.
Romania’s President Traian Basescu has also protested the French policy, and said he would bring his argument against the “xenophobic” campaign to the European Commission.
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Last time I visited the Vatican, they kicked everyone out at closing time.
Or as we call them here now “travelers”
Those Gypsies are bad news. They harassed me for about a half hour at the foot of the Eiffel Tower one evening. Being afraid of heights I waited on my group at the bottom. It wasn’t 10 minutes before they started sending their kids over to my bench shaking a cup under my nose for a handout. I kept saying no and they got more and more aggressive until the mother came over and shook the cup at me. I said no again and then she put a curse on me. Finally the Gendarmes came cruising through and they scattered like Quail. All in all an unerving experience.
They are everywhere, in every EU state, especially at airports and tourist areas. They harass you, steal from you and simply don’t care about society in general (laws, schools, norms and the like). At least most of them, to be politically correct.
EU needs to deal with them, and I mean try to integrate them. That’s no small task but they are EU citizens.
Thanks for the link. Good for France. Were the Roma Gypsies rioting too or were they singled out for ethnicity?
True enough. But the article said they were deported back to Romania, which implies that they are Romanian citizens. And in fact Romania is a center for many of the Roma, who maintain homes there while traveling Europe.
Since no country particularly wants them, Sarkozy could only deport them back to the country whose passports they carry, I would imagine.
It is actually difficult to find traditional gypsies in this country because they live and do the same things other people do.
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I have two stories of my encounters with gypsies.
The first was when I owned a no-tell motel and rented a single room with a kitchenette and two double beds (route 66 days) back in 1969 for one night. Next thing I knew, cars and trucks pulling trailers were pulling in to the parking lot, children running around everywhere, an old lady with her bare breasts and her blouse hanging open sat in a lawn chair yelling orders......it was chaos. The little boys were pissing on the trees, the group grew larger and louder. It was a nightmare and they only paid $8.00 for one night back then. Long story short, they were evicted under threat of calling police.
Fast forward to early 2000’s and I work in the operating room. My patient is a very young boy needing a very minor surgery. I go to the lobby to let the family know he is fine and it’s packed with family! The entire parking lot is packed with family! Family everywhere! They were loud, disruptive to other families, tossing cigarette butts everywhere, cursing, demanding instead of listening.....it was chaos. Turns out the little boy was the next gypsy king so the whole clan showed up.
From my personal experiences with gypsies, I find them too clannish and over-bearing but that’s just my opinion.
They are clannish. However they too will be assimilated. We are America.
Last I read the French Police, nor even the Paramedics can even respond to emergency calls in the “Muslim slums” in Paris. They are shot at, pelted by rocks, and even molotov cocktails preventing them from even ENTERIN’G the ‘neighborhoods’. I do believe it would take nothing less than a fully armed HUGE riot squad or even the French Military to gain access to the neighborhoods - and that’s without the threat of deportation!
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The Roma may be bad for tourism and other concerns regarding their lifestyles, but IMHO it would be a much better idea to export the muslim illegals before the Gypsies... Then again, maybe this round-up is a precursor to more difficult operations planne in the future. Perhaps they are planning to go ‘group by group’???
I don’t really have much sympathy for folks living in any country illegally, and the Gypsies due to their chosen lifestyle especially had to have known of this risk...
That was the Darlings. They were relatively upper class people- hillbillies. The young blond was sweet on Andy. Whenever her father announced they were going to sing a song like “Honey won’t you be my Salty Dog”, she would invariably remark, “But, Pa, that song makes me cry.”
Hey US, get a clue. Watch France. They got cojones that count!
Paging Victor Hugo. Paging Victor Hugo.
North Africans constitute 10% of the French population; Muslims constitute 10%; Naturally, these two figures predominantly overlap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France#Demography
I’ve had some dealings with gypsies. While they don’t live in wagons anymore and most of them do speak english, they still maintain to a large degree a separate culture, with their own language. They do still move around with no permanent home. Many do still run “scams” of various sorts. They subsist to a large extent on public assistance.
On voting: Did you know that in American elections prior to 9/11, Muslims (other than Black Muslims) voted 60% Republican?
Muslims in France vote as a bloc, and Sarkozy is not their chosen leader. In 2000, Muslims were around 10% of the population in France. But native French average 1 baby per woman, while Muslims in France average 2.6 babies per woman. That means that already 25% of first-graders in France are Muslim, and by 2035, 60% of first-graders will be Muslim.
The Roma are a small minority. Many young adults leave the Roma community, looking for honest work. But in this economic environment, not so much.
I think you've nailed it. The gypsies are obnoxious but relatively safe to get heavy on. If they try that on the Muslims, they will have cities in flames, plus have international problems.
Still it's a step in the right direction.
I hope France is practicing for the big one, the expulsion of the moors.
I should have made a disclaimer, that I was not necessarily opposed to deporting ANY illegal immigrants/illegal residents in France; only that the French government may have selected the Gypsies ONLY because it was politically safe to do so.
On the other hand, all of Europe has a “Gypsy” problem, with centuries of European states claiming they do not belong in, and are not a part of their “state”; with a parallel history of Gypsies being among the earliest “open borders” migrant groups in Europe, having little respect for being recognized as part of any state.
The term “Gypsy” itself comes from the ignorance in Europe, early on, about just where the Gypsies came to Europe from and in that ignorance the popular belief was that they came from Egypt.
The Early History [of Gypsies]
http://www.scottishgypsies.co.uk/early.html
Gypsy History/Lore
http://www.gypsyadvice.com/gypsy_lore.htm
History and Origins of the Gypsies - Where Did it all Begin?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2044813/history_and_origins_of_the_gypsies.html?cat=37
Roma (Gypsy) Origins & History
http://www.romani.org/local/romhist.html
Thank you for the links. I didn’t take your comment as if you were against deportation of illegal immigrants... I do understand the concerns about them targeting one specific group while not cracking down on others. I’m also guessing that the numbers are so large because of the families wanting to remain together — for instance the Dad or Mom gets caught doing something wrong, but unlike here (for instance) it’s not just Mom or Dad getting deported... I’m sure they are insisting that the French government “provide passage” for the whole family - not just the individuals being “busted”. Of course this is all speculation on my part...
Thanks again for the links. This particular society is not one I know that much about (except for the obvious stereotypes and such).
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