Posted on 08/20/2010 8:55:24 PM PDT by speciallybland
Congressman Ron Paul today released the following statement on the controversy concerning the construction of an Islamic Center and Mosque in New York City:
Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery? .Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?
It has been said, Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are fiddling while the economy burns.
The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.
Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be sensitive requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from ground zero.
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The Learned Professor tells us how to do it the Republican way...or are you a Dhimmi operative? Because this way is ... well ... flaccid. And it will get more Americans killed.
Well, there you go. I am getting Americans killed by supporting conservative candidates in conservative issues. By opposing liberal victories and arguing for sensible and effective responses by conservatives to liberal traps I am not only a Democrat, but I am killing Americans.
I dare you to list one liberal position I have defended on this thread. Just one. You can't do it. Let me clue you into something. Conservatism is more than waving a flag, singing Lee Greenwood songs and using dumb little epithets for people you don't like or agree with. Democrats do that. It is also about getting things done which effect change and restore this nation to its conservative roots. It is also about conservative values such as personal responsibility, not passing the buck and the blame to somebody else. When we screw up we should have the strength of our principles and admit it and look to do better. Not call names and accuse our fellows of actually being spies. How trivial and childish.
I look for the day when we can move from the sound and fury people like you represent, to real elections with real policies effecting real conservative change, change which means smaller government and strong traditional values. That is victory, and victory is also a conservative value.
“Will it be yet another Pyrrhic victory? I don’t know, but I keep waiting for a Mel Gibson moment. You should prepare yourself.”
Dem activists conducted illegal investigations and passed them to the press, who then made HIM the story and ignored the statement by that POS in the WH. Hannity did nothing to change the story (but throw a toy football like a girl). You seem to be in the blame conservatives first branch of the The Grand Old Potty.
You refuse to acknowledge this for some reason. Obama did not “avoid back;ash” because of anyhting other than the fact that the left controls the media that you want to placate.
You are either a willing idiot or don’t understand the dynamic of the press. Maybe both. Either way, if you think that the path to victory over the left comes through soft Republican political tactics, you will end up with an ice pick in your ear. That there is some pretty reliable history, Bubba.
Good luck with your kinder gentler Republican tactics and winning through influencing the American press.
The following quote “Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?” has over 300 hits, including RonPaul.com.
You refuse to acknowledge this for some reason. Obama did not avoid back;ash because of anyhting other than the fact that the left controls the media that you want to placate.
You can, of course, demonstrate where I said that we should "placate" the media? Oh, and btw, we knew they controlled the media before we played into their hand over and over by agreeing to play by their rules. Sometimes your opponent has the upper hand, or controls some key utility, but you don't just say "Oh well, I guess I can't beat him" but reconsider and find ways to get around his advantage.
You are either a willing idiot or dont understand the dynamic of the press. Maybe both. Either way, if you think that the path to victory over the left comes through soft Republican political tactics, you will end up with an ice pick in your ear. That there is some pretty reliable history, Bubba.
Again, you can, of course, demonstrate where I have suggested "soft Republican political tactics"?
Good luck with your kinder gentler Republican tactics and winning through influencing the American press.
Again, you can of course demonstrate where I have ever suggested "kinder gentler Republican tactics"?
You are very confused. Victory through anticipating the attacks of your opponents, and cornering them in indefensible words and actions is not "soft," "kind," "gentle" or "placating." We had Obama over a barrel with his own words on tape, and we let him get the upper-hand because, even though we knew he had the media on his side, we ignored the risks and let the story change focus entirely. No, that's wrong, we changed the focus on purpose and gave them the perfect out. That is stupid, and weak, and soft, and flaccid, and any other word you can throw at it.
I want to see real conservative victory through intelligence. How is it soft to focus on the ignorant and revealing mistake of Obama during the campaign? Please tell me how it was strong and tough to bring "Joe the Plumber" into the studios day after day and thereby undo any response to the accusations when they arose? It doesn't take two working brain cells to know better than to take the focus off of the smoking gun in the middle of an election. It is like trying to get the defendant to try on the bloody glove in front of the jury. What I want to know is why you think strength is always stupid and self-destructive?
Every time I say we need to be careful and smart, and look for traps and not make mistakes, you say I am being weak, flaccid, or soft. You also insist that I am not being conservative, or trying to be less conservative. I have never said be less conservative, or suggested we take a different position on any issue, but for you it is the same thing. Being smart is being liberal, and being stupid is being conservative. What kind of a "conservative" can you actually be?
“Every time I say we need to be careful and smart, and look for traps and not make mistakes, you say I am being weak, flaccid, or soft.”
Finally, you understand me. And no, I say you are being weak, flaccid, or soft because you are being weak, flaccid, or soft.
“You can, of course, demonstrate where I said that we should “placate” the media?”
Sure. By reading any of your mewling posts.
“What kind of a “conservative” can you actually be?”
The kind that thinks you and your status quo Republican Potty tactics are a good way to destroy this country. It’s time to stop pussyfooting around. And that IS what you suggest. You are re-writing history; the press did not get onto Joe the Plumber because of us; they got onto him because they are who they are. You are trying to defuse the kind of Conservative, hard nosed politics we need to play. And it disgusts me. The Grand Old Potty needs to be flushed ... vote Conservative in November and put the pressure on the left HARD. You know what they call the guy who doesn’t acknowledge he’s at war? LOSER.
Well, that's who he's most closely aligned with.
It boggles my mind that there are people who have actually fallen for his "conservative" schtick.
"Every time I say we need to be careful and smart, and look for traps and not make mistakes, you say I am being weak, flaccid, or soft.Finally, you understand me. And no, I say you are being weak, flaccid, or soft because you are being weak, flaccid, or soft.
Absolutely priceless. A gem. And your effusive posting of quotes backs up your position so well. Clearly you are from the "Oh yeah..." school of dialectic.
You can, of course, demonstrate where I said that we should placate the media?Sure. By reading any of your mewling posts.
Ha ha. Where I am from this is known as "being caught in a lie." Keep trying though.
“No, that’s wrong, we changed the focus on purpose and gave them the perfect out. That is stupid, and weak, and soft, and flaccid, and any other word you can throw at it.”
Untrue? Stupid? Wrong-headed? Naive? Intentionally-misleading? Democrat-strategery? I had to hyphenate a couple.
Hey, if you believe that the press changed the focus away from Hussein BECAUSE OF US you are either a Dem operative or dumber than a bag of hammers. Either way, you can run along now. You don’t want to be late to the Mitt rally. He employs the kind of kissass strategery you want.
Hey, if you believe that the press changed the focus away from Hussein BECAUSE OF US you are either a Dem operative or dumber than a bag of hammers.
Wow, that is really funny. I wonder if it is really possible for a person to keep reading past posts like you are, or if it some sort of a game. I am inclined to the latter as the former would be expecting too much.
In any case, you are obviously going to simply continue making things up. Why don't you just go on back and read the previous posts. Do use a dictionary. (That is a big book with the meanings of words in it. You can probably borrow one from somebody.) Look for themes and try to work out what the big people are talking about. If you get tired, just take a nap. If you can't finally work it out, maybe you can ask somebody to read the posts to you and explain what they mean.
“If you can’t finally work it out, maybe you can ask somebody to read the posts to you and explain what they mean.”
Gosh, that was clever. Never heard that one before. I think you have finally topped this endless stream of your ignorant flatulence with the least inspired bit of parrotry yet.
You’re a good Republican, I can tell.
Maybe the fact that Paul has the most conservative voting record of any member of congress since the year 1937 has something to do with it?
And therein lies the rub. I consider it rude to interrupt a conversation, and I always view these things as conversations. I would be wise to recognise that the person on the other end is probably not taking their medicine any longer, and just drop it. I can't convince anyone who doesn't read the post or understand the very obvious meanings in them that they are tilting at windmills of their own conception. But, for some reason I will keep responding even though the other person clearly has bats in their belfry, so to speak. Dotty, if you follow the idiom. A nutter. Well, anyway, I will keep posting when they appear in my pings, and it goes on and on, and nowhere because they just want to show off their new little epithet, most of which are hardly impressive or even new. Dhimmitude, Paulestinian, muzzie, demonrat, or whatever it is they think they can sneak in in some way. I don't guess they realise how lame this is, and childish, but probably at their advanced age they want to seem young and stylish. They come off like petulant schoolchildren posting on the DailyKos, where they all use these made-up insults. Probably things like Re-pubic-ans or the like. All exceedingly young, and oh so cool. Or, as the kids are saying, neato daddy-o.
So, anyway, good luck to you. You obviously have needs. I can't help you with that. I will just say you are still dead wrong, and homosexual marriage is evil. And pornography is not a conservative idea, and if you want to promote it do it to somebody else, and quit trying to convince me. You are just wrong.
Peace out, daddy-o.
Do I get to be Colonel Kurtz?
If you try to “get along” with the Muzzies, you could very well share his fate.
Can’t argue with that prediction. Of course things would likely be no different even if one didn’t try to “get along” with them. They tend to be a predictable lot, don’t they?
You people who think Ron Paul is conservative are a small minority (and a strange little cult.)
Anybody who endorses people like Adam Kokesh, Cynthia McKinney and Bob Barr is no conservative. Anybody who stands with and is supported by Code Pink is no conservative.
And his cute little trick of voting against pork spending while knwoing it's going to pass so that he can deliver to his district while touting his so-called fiscal conservatism isn't fooling anyone with half a brain.
That guy is aligned with the Democrats. You'll hear him trashing Republicans all the time, but never his Dem buddies.
“I consider it rude to interrupt a conversation, and I always view these things as conversations. I would be wise to recognise that the person on the other end is probably not taking their medicine any longer, and just drop it.”
I was pinged into the conversation. And yes, you would be wise to drop it. But you won’t. Draw your own conclusion.
“Exterminate Them!”
Interesting game you are playing, to some, I guess, but I am surprised. I have always respected your posts.
Sorry you feel that way.
All I can say is;
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You do realize that the last quote did not refer to anyone involved in this conversation, don’t you?
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