Posted on 08/08/2010 4:20:05 PM PDT by BigReb555
"When you eliminate the Black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."---The late Dr. Leonard Haynes, Professor, Southern University
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Excellent sources:)
MZ - I’ll take it from your response that you cannot find CSA army listing of African-Amercan troops. Free blacks were also banned until March 1865
MZ - It appears you don't understand the hint I provided you. It also appears that you don't know to look for individual service records. That means CSA soldiers would be in integrated troops. I'll be waiting for you to post the U.S. troop list for a NON-SEGREGATED unit.
Also, as I mentioned, Tennessee authorized free men of color in 1861. These men saw service w/the CSA. You see, not every state wanted to hand over their militia to federal authority however, their units did serve w/CSA. It's that states right's issue that I'm not quite sure you comprehend.
Now I'm back to bed, but I'm sure when I log on tomorrow you'll have posted the non-segregated Union troops roster. Why, I'll bet you'll have even mastered the little hint thingy too.
"...the moment you resort to negro soldiers your white soldiers will be lost to you."
Than again, that might have been the reason that so many thousands of reb soldiers deserted. :)
7 minute Documentary featuring Nelson W. Winbush, a black son of confederate black soldier Luis Napoleon Nelson who fought under Nathan Bedford Forest, founder of the KKK. A series of interviews, documentation, stock footage, and reenactments all collaberate to help defend the Confederacy and it's soldiers against it's notorious reputation in regards to black slavery and what the confederate flag actually stood for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF-QIJyLhKQ&feature=related
Excellent stuff! I also heard that the first Union officer killed in the war (at the battle of Big Bethel, which took place near where I live) was killed by a black Confederate sharpshooter.
“Than again, that might have been the reason that so many thousands of reb soldiers deserted.:) “
Typical bigoted Yankee projection ... thank God there aren’t that many of you left ... nothing to contribute but crude and insulting jokes about brave men ...
During the American Revolution, African Americans fought for the colonies, even the bigoted Yankees and Northern slavers that brought them here, though the British offered them freedom if they fought for them.
Black Confederates? Why haven’t we heard more about them? National Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910”
In other words, the “winners control history.”
Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started back in 1865. He writes, “During my research, I came across instances where Black men stated they were soldiers, but you can plainly see where ‘soldier’ is crossed out and ‘body servant’ inserted, or ‘teamster’ on pension applications.”
Another black historian, Roland Young, says he is not surprised that blacks fought. He explains that “…some, if not most, Black southerners would support their country” and that by doing so they were “demonstrating it’s possible to hate the system of slavery and love one’s country.”
But don't expect to convince any of the yankee coven on FR regardless of how well you write and cite your work.
The yankee coven collectively plow a crooked course down the narrow River of Denial.
For the most part it's a complete waste of time to debate them because, as you've seen with this noobie, Michael Zak, he's vested in the revisionist history that protects the ‘integrity’ of him and his yankee brethren and the best way for them to continue that is using diversionary tactics, e.g., “Don't look at us! It's those damned racist Southern hicks to blame.”
It's a lib tactic being routinely employed by Ovomit and his crew: “Bush's fault!!”
I spent a little time reading some of Zak's offerings/dribble and the bias against the South is obvious.
One thing the yankee coven can't argue is that if it weren't for the Southern conservatives the yankees would be, at best, living in a European socialist country and, at worst, a communist dictatorship.
I agree!
because cobb was loved by everyone in the confederacy? lol
I met Mr. Winbush and personally thanked him for the research he has shared about his heritage. We discussed his great grandfather’s role in the war and he told me some of the stories passed down in the Winbush family. He tells it like it is and like it was.
Hi Cowboyway! That Zak fellow sure was posting a lot of junk revisionist history, wasn’t he? Poor idiot. I used to just as dumb as he was about the war until I did some reading and research. It all started when I watched a documentary called “Warriors of Honor” about Lee and Jackson. Before that, I was just an idiot and was ashamed of my state. Anyway, If you come across any good civil war threads please ping me and we can fight the idiot yanks together. :)
Date: May 10, 1862
Harper's Weekly reported that "The correspondent of the New York Herald, in one of its late numbers, reports that the rebels had a regiment of mounted negroes, armed with sabres, at Manassas, and that some five hundred Union prisoners taken at Bull Run were escorted to their filthy prison by a regiment of black men.
Takes a lot of manservants to form up a REGIMENT. You DO know how big a REGIMENT is, don't you genius?
Thanks, Idabilly! :)
Revisionist hacks like our friend Zak here, can't grasp that men will fight for THEIR HOMELAND, even if they disagree with the regime. How else could you explain the very conservative fighting men today serving a Marxist usurper with a Marxist agenda? This guy and his uninformed friends think of the South as only slavery; they have to demonize it. They will not tolerate the fact that, given a little more time, the South would have resolved the issue on its own....like Obama and today's liberals, the North seized the crisis and acted rashly, thinking the War would be over after first Manassas, that it would be a walk in the park.
They did NOT understand that the South was populated by people who loved their states and would fight for them and not roll over for the Feds, as they are doing in AZ. Too bad we don't have more Patriots like that today, but when third Manassas rolls around, we'll see ...
You are exactly right about the blacks who fought for the CSA. They were also given full pay, unlike in the north, where they were given half pay, half rations, little equipment and, by all accounts, brutalized.
The idea that black CSA troops they were not carrying guns would come as a great surprise to these fellows;
“Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in this number [Confederate troops]. These were clad in all kinds of uniforms, not only in cast-off or captured United States uniforms, but in coats with Southern buttons, State buttons, etc. These were shabby, but not shabbier or seedier than those worn by white men in the rebel ranks. Most of the Negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers, bowie-knives, dirks, etc.....and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederate Army.” - Dr. Lewis Steiner, Chief Inspector of the United States Sanitary Commission while observing Gen. “Stonewall” Jackson’s occupation of Frederick, Maryland, in 1862
What was it that Master Zak said to you earlier, that they used to dress up man-servants for photo ops? 3,000 man-servants? And what, they were holding the rifles for their masters? What were their masters doing at Manassas? Playing cards? Or were they busy?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAWWWWW...Zak is deluded. Or pursuing a particularly nasty agenda of trying to take valor from brave fighting men...to pursue whatever game it is he is playing. He knows these truths.
I agree. I’d say both. Deluded and pursueing an agenda.
Letter of Private Frank Bailey, 34th New York Infantry Regiment to his brother in Middleville, New York: - “West Point, Virginia, 12 May 1862 - I hear that the Rebels sent out a Regt. of ni**ers to fight our men.... The soldiers are death on ni**ers now. If they catch a ni**er in the woods, and there is no officer near, they hang them without any ceremony. Now if this is true that the Southern chivalry as they style themselves put these ni**ers up to such deeds as this, may the curse of good light on them. It is worse than the English were in the Revolution to hire the Indians, but their race is about run when they stoop to such barbarism as that. Yesterday there was two ni**ers hung close by here by our men. One of them had $20.00 government note in his pocket. There is no mistake but the Rebels have black soldiers for I have seen them brought in as prisoners of war. I saw one who had the stripes of an orderly sergeant on his coat. I don’t believe in taking them prisoner, but kill them where ever they find them, that they may never more curse the land with their hateful presence.”
I’d say this Yank was just a wee bit racist. Just a little bit. It’s kind of hard to tell, don’t you think? :)
My dear wife--I have no time for particulars. We have had a glorious time in this State. Unrestricted license to burn and plunder was the order of the day. The chivalry [meaning the Honourable & Chivalrous people of the South] have been stripped of most of their valuables. Gold watches, silver pitchers, cups, spoons, forks, &c., are as common in camp as blackberries. The terms of plunder are as follows: Each company is required to exhibit the results of its operations at any given place--one-fifth and first choice falls to the share of the commander-in-chief and staff; one-fifth to the corps commanders and staff; one-fifth to field officers of regiments, and two-fifths to the company. Officers are not allowed to join these expeditions without disguising themselves as privates. One of our corps commanders borrowed a suit of rough clothes from one of my men, and was successful in this place. He got a large quantity of silver (among other things an old-time milk pitcher) and a very fine gold watch from a Mrs DeSaussure, at this place. DeSaussure was one of the F. F. V.s of South Carolina, and was made to fork over liberally.. Officers over the rank of Captain are not made to put their plunder in the estimate for general distribution. This is very unfair, and for that reason, in order to protect themselves, subordinate officers and privates keep back every thing that they can carry about their persons, such as rings, earrings, breast pins, &c., of which, if I ever get home, I have about a quart. I am not joking--I have at least a quart of jewelry for you and all the girls, and some No. 1 diamond rings and pins among them. General Sherman has silver and gold enough to start a bank. His share in gold watches alone at Columbia was two hundred and seventy-five. But I said I could not go into particulars. All the general officers and many besides had valuables of every description, down to embroidered ladies' pocket handkerchiefs. I have my share of them, too. We took gold and silver enough from the damned rebels to have redeemed their infernal currency twice over. This, (the currency), whenever we came across it, we burned, as we considered it utterly worthless. I wish all the jewelry this army has could be carried to the "Old Bay State". It would deck her out in glorious style; but, alas! it will be scattered all over the North and Middle States. The damned niggers, as a general rule, prefer to stay at home, particularly after they found out that we only wanted the able-bodied men, (and to tell the truth, the youngest and best-looking women). Sometimes we took off whole families and plantations of niggers, by way of repaying secessionists. But the useless part of them we soon manage to lose; [one very effective was to "shoot at their bobbing heads as they swam rivers" after the army units crossed over], sometimes in crossing rivers, sometimes in other ways. I shall write to you again from Wilmington, Goldsboro', or some other place in North Carolina. The order to march has arrived, and I must close hurriedly. Love to grandmother and aunt Charlotte. Take care of yourself and children. Don't show this letter out of the family.
Your affectionate husband, Thomas J Myers, Lieut.,
“I’d say this Yank was just a wee bit racist. Just a little bit. It’s kind of hard to tell, don’t you think? :)”
Odd...I thought there was only racism in the South? Huh. Who’d a thunk it. I’ve lived all over the US, man and boy and the most racist city I have ever been in? Boston.
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