Posted on 08/08/2010 4:20:05 PM PDT by BigReb555
"When you eliminate the Black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."---The late Dr. Leonard Haynes, Professor, Southern University
(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...
Yeah, that whole 'boy' thing was completely misunderstood.
President Woodrow Wilson spoke to those veterans...
Now there's a beacon of racial tolerance if ever there was one. </sarcasm>
Anyone who is familiar with the history of the times is not.
During the years 1854 to 1859 Grant lived here with his wife, Julia, and their children, managing the farm for his father-in-law, Colonel Dent.
"In the late summer of 1854 I rejoined my family, to find in it a son whom I had never seen, born while I was on the Isthmus of Panama. I was now to commence, at the age of thirty-two, a new struggle for our support. My wife had a farm near St. Louis, to which we went, but I had no means to stock it. A house had to be built also. I worked very hard, never losing a day because of bad weather, and accomplished the object in a moderate way. If nothing else could be done I would load a cord of wood on a wagon and take it to the city for sale. I managed to keep along very well until 1858, when I was attacked by fever and ague. I had suffered very severely and for a long time from this disease, while a boy in Ohio. It lasted now over a year, and, while it did not keep me in the house, it did interfere greatly with the amount of work I was able to perform. In the fall of 1858 I sold out my stock, crops and farming utensils at auction, and gave up farming.
In the winter I established a partnership with Harry Boggs, a cousin of Mrs. Grant, in the real estate agency business. I spent that winter at St. Louis myself, but did not take my family into town until the spring. Our business might have become prosperous if I had been able to wait for it to grow. As it was, there was no more than one person could attend to, and not enough to support two families. While a citizen of St. Louis and engaged in the real estate agency business, I was a candidate for the office of county engineer, an office of respectability and emolument which would have been very acceptable to me at that time. The incumbent was appointed by the county court, which consisted of five members. My opponent had the advantage of birth over me (he was a citizen by adoption) and carried off the prize. I now withdrew from the co-partnership with Boggs, and, in May, 1860, removed to Galena, Illinois, and took a clerkship in my father’s store."
That summary of the period 1854 through 1860 is from Grant himself in his biography. But hey, what did he know right?
ROTFLMAO!!!!
“The CSA refused to accept the 1st Louisiana Native Guard into service, so most of the soldiers deserted to the Union Army.”
You need to get your history straight. The 1st Louisiana Guard was short-lived, from around May, 1861 to late winter, 1862, when it was disbanded. The Confederacy did not use the unit for combat, but did use it for some fatigue duty and parades. After it was disbanded, approximately 25% of its members joined with Union forces. Your comment that they deserted is pure bullshit.
“They were slaves.”
No, they were not. They were free men of color.
Your talking about Grant, right ? The same man that issued General Order Number 11, expelling Jews... Funny
So IYO Gen. Forrest was lying to congress, right?
“That summary of the period 1854 through 1860 is from Grant himself in his biography. But hey, what did he know right?”
Well, not much, according to published history everywhere but in your little Grant is Great bubble.
Obama wrote two of them “truthful” accounts of his life, too...you buyin what he’s sellin too? You are becoming less and less interesting. The man was a slave owner and overseer. Read his own words about himself all you want, I’ll stick with the historical facts. I know that you would rather believe the man than the facts...vote Obama next election...you seem comfortable with that nonsense approach to truth.
When the rebels retreated from New Orleans they left the Louisiana Native Guards behind. The Confederates could not care less about them. The unit was never disbanded, just abandoned.
“Yeah, that whole ‘boy’ thing was completely misunderstood.”
No, I explained it fully. You are trying to twist it, not I.
President Woodrow Wilson spoke to those veterans...
“Now there’s a beacon of racial tolerance if ever there was one. </sarcasm>”
Yes spin off into your own little projection of racial and class hatred, not addressing thse issue. You should work for the Dims in their spin rooms ... they suck at it too ... you would fit right in.
Are any of your posts other than this? You should only use a /nosarc tag...
“The Lincoln Coven is here, in almost full company strength.”
Why am I not surprised?
“That summary of the period 1854 through 1860 is from Grant himself in his biography. But hey, what did he know right?”
You DO know that White Haven and his “little farm” were one and the same and that St Louie was just down the road? All he did in his sob story was leave out the part about running the slaves...about 30 of them...not counting the one he bought for himself ...
From PBS (notorious haters of Grant)
1855
Summer: After living for nearly a year at White Haven with Julia’s parents, the Grant family moves to Wish-ton-wish, another farm on the Dent estate. Here their third child, Ellen Grant, whom they call Nellie, is born on July 4.
1856
Summer: The Grant family moves into its own home, built largely by Grant alone. Almost every farm in the neighborhood has a name, often a pretentious one; Grant calls his Hardscrabble.
November: Grant casts his only presidential ballot prior to the time he is himself elected. The nation is deeply divided over the issue of slavery. “It was evident to my mind that the election of a Republican President in 1856 meant the secession of all the Slave States, and rebellion. Under these circumstances I preferred the success of a candidate whose election would prevent or postpone secession, to seeing the country plunged into a war the end of which no man could foretell. With a Democrat elected by the unanimous vote of the Slave States, there could be no pretext for secession for four years. I very much hoped that the passions of the people would subside in that time, and the catastrophe be averted altogether; if it was not, I believed the country would be better prepared to receive the shock and to resist it. I therefore voted for James Buchanan for President.”
1857
December 23: Grant pawns his watch, presumably to buy Christmas gifts for his family. The Panic of 1857 has withered crop prices. Only a few weeks later, February 6, 1858, the fourth Grant child, Jesse Root Grant Jr., is born.
1858
Spring: Grant rents out his Hardscrabble farm and himself rents White Haven from his father-in-law. Following another poor season, plagued by poor health, he enters the real estate business in St. Louis.
1859
January: Grant moves into a back room in St. Louis rented from his business partner, while his family temporarily remains at White Haven. In March, his family joins him in a rented cottage in St. Louis.
So, I ask you again, are you lying or just ignorant?
“When the rebels retreated from New Orleans they left the Louisiana Native Guards behind. The Confederates could not care less about them. The unit was never disbanded, just abandoned.”
Sorry, you’re wrong again. The 1st Louisiana Native Guard, which was a New Orleans unit, was disbanded in February, 1862 by the Louisiana legislature. Confederate troops did not withdraw from New Orleans until April, 1862. Thus, how can a unit that did not even exist in April, 1862 be abandoned?
My, my, my aren't we getting testy?
You are becoming less and less interesting.
But you're becoming more and more fun the more you mouth foams and your veins bulge.
““When the rebels retreated from New Orleans they left the Louisiana Native Guards behind. The Confederates could not care less about them. The unit was never disbanded, just abandoned.”
Zac is a fountain of misinformation, half truths and outright lies to further his agenda of sales for his “book”. He blog pimps by putting small blurbs on his meager little blog page, where he then directs you to his book...if you look at his home page he even refers to himself in the third person...given the ego, I assume it is the “Imperial We”
Just for laughs, I looked at a few reviews on Amazon and came up with this one, which I thought was pretty interesting;
17 of 22 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
It’s a GOP infomercial, September 1, 2006
By Patrick D. John
This review is from: Back to Basics for the Republican Party, Third Edition (Paperback)
“I myself am a Black Republican, so I agree with Mr. Zak that the GOP’s history on civil rights has not been fairly told. However, this book makes the same 2 errors that most GOP loyalists make when discussing Blacks and the GOP:
1) they oversimplify the ideology of the early Republicans and abolitionists.
For example, notably missing from Mr. Zak’s book are the following facts: that Herbert Hoover (Republican) was the first president to refuse to address the NAACP’s convention, that Carter G. Woodson-the Founder of Black History Month-became so disappointed with the GOP that in the late 1920’s he publicly stated that Blacks should stop being blindly loyal to the GOP:
that soon after Reconstruction the GOP condoned the formation in the South of racially segregated GOP organizations, called the Lily Whites and the Black & Tans;
that beginning in the 1870’s Republican candidates lost elections in some Northern states because the Radical Republicans’ idea of perfect equality was not embraced by most Whites, not even by most Republicans;
that Lincoln was NOT a Radical Republican, he was a moderate who had ALWAYS discussed freeing the slaves ONLY in conjunction with deporting them to another country, for Lincoln openly declared that Blacks were inferior to Whites;
that after the Civil War the GOP was weak nationally-since the founding of the GOP America has had 4 presidents who won by electoral vote but lost the popular vote, and all 4 were Republicans (Harrison, Hayes, Garfield, and Bush);
that not all Republicans or abolitionists believed in racial equality, in fact most did NOT, they believed ONLY in ending slavery, and even on that issue they disagreed on the reasons, some were against slavery for moral reasons, others because they feared slave revolts, others because slavery competed with White labor, others because they wanted the good farmland used for more than just cotton.
2) they leave out much of how/why Blacks left the GOP in the first place: Mr. Zak’s book does lay blame at the feet of Barry Goldwater, but overlooks the fact that Goldwater’s victory in the GOP presidential primary obviously says something about the views of rank and file Republicans in 1964-national civil rights legislation was clearly not a priority for most Republican voters in 1964, else Goldwater could not have won. Goldwater was just the icing on the cake.
Beginning in the 1870’s, the GOP began taking the Black vote for granted precisely because the Democrats were such vicious racists. Mr. Zak’s book points out how the Democrats were at one point synonymous with the KKK, but he overlooks the obvious political implication for Black voters-if their only 2 choices were between the GOP and the Klan, it was an easy decision.
Blacks voted for the GOP because they feared voting for the Democrats, this led to the GOP taking the Black vote for granted as the GOP moved further away from civil rights issues in order to attract more White voters, feeling confident that in doing so it would not lose Black voters.
Today, it’s the Democrats who take the Black vote for granted, because most Black voters are afraid of the GOP - the tables have turned.
As a Black Republican who is pro civil rights, I think what we need is a balanced review of history.
This book is not balanced.
Throughout history minorities have been used by the dominant group like a political football, and Blacks in America are no different. I’m working with some other Black Republicans to prepare a balanced view of Blacks and the GOP told from the Black perspective, not the perspective of a party loyalist.”
Zac thinks he is sh*tting the public with this *&^% filled book, but the writer makes a pretty good point; if you see garbage in, you will expect garbage out. It was so full of holes, it just couldn’t stand up to people with even a loose grasp on history. Probably why my little friend Non-Sequitur is a big fan. He must have memorized it. They may have their own journo-list.
I just find it interesting how 44 became 65 from one paragraph to another. But I've noticed how Southern myth has a way of growing in the telling.
Do you know another one?
A true pot-meet-kettle moment.
Then why did Grant say that he needed to build a house in order to have a place for his family to live? Or didn't White Haven have a residence all the time the Dents lived there?
So, I ask you again, are you lying or just ignorant?
I'd ask you the same but I've long since concluded it's the later.
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