Posted on 07/31/2010 9:50:54 PM PDT by Nachum
Israel's president has accused the English of being anti-semitic and claimed that MPs pander to Muslim voters.
Shimon Peres said England was "deeply pro-Arab ... and anti-Israeli", adding: "They always worked against us."
He added: "There is in England a saying that an anti-Semite is someone who hates the Jews more than is necessary."
His remarks, made in an interview on a Jewish website, provoked anger from senior MPs and Jewish leaders who said the 87-year-old president had "got it wrong".
But other groups backed the former Israeli prime minister and said the number of anti-semitic incidents had risen dramatically in the UK in recent years.
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You’ve just circled back to where we began. We’ll just have to disagree.
That’s “Captain Punctuation” to you.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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“Alexander Hamilton probably had more of a Jewish upbringing than Disreali”
Thank you for this. I was not aware of it before. I will do a bit of “looking up”. Of late, there has been a recurrent thread with the position that the founders were a purely “Christian” state (mostly aimed at hammering Muslims I’m afraid).
It was always my impression that our founding was far more ecumenical than some of us evangelicals would like to believe. Your information gives me an excuse to do some overdue research on the subject.
...provoked anger from senior MPs and Jewish leaders who said the 87-year-old president had "got it wrong". But other groups backed the former Israeli prime minister and said the number of anti-semitic incidents had risen dramatically in the UK in recent years.
I hadn't realized that Britain's Conservative Party was left wing (after all, he is the head of it).
So, is the Labour party to be consider right wing, then?
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
We've said that quite a bit about Peres over the last decade or so. In this case, there is some truth to what he says, but it strikes me that it was too coarse of a statement for an Israeli who still has a title, if nothing else.
I'd like to ask Peres this: If Britain is so anti-semitic, why aren't Jews leaving in droves?
As far as I know, most of the antisemitic incidents in Britain today are perpetrated by Muslims, and the political pandering to them makes the situation worse.
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Post #84 (from HearMe to you)
more and more Brits are going to start turning away from Israel.
Give me a hint how I will know that is occurring.
Will the BBC, and your press, defame Israel every five minutes instead of every ten minutes.
Will the British Governmental proclaim that Israel is at fault for instituting a prison camp in Gaza? Sorry, my mistake, your PM already claimed that repulsive defamation when he was kissing Islamic ass last week.
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To which you reply:
Yes, there isn't much support for Israel in Britain. And, again, why should there be?
The British left (like the left in all Western nations) is anti-Israel. As a British conservative I feel no desire to support Israel when all we get from Israel and it's supporters (like you) is abuse.
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Note that HearMe is talking about the British Government and more specifically the Prime Minister, which is David Cameron (Conservative Party).
As he was talking about the British Government, you then retort (about that, consider that was his post) "The British left (like the left in all Western nations) is anti-Israel. As a British conservative I feel no desire to support Israel when all we get from Israel and it's supporters (like you) is abuse."
To which I call you out about claiming that David Cameron and his government being of the 'left'.
Get it? David Cameron is not a leftist. Well, at least, not in Britain.
So I was commenting on how your posts lead one to think that the British government is led by a leftist.
DennisW: there is no need to insult Stormer and call him names simply because he expressed doubt. He said nothing offensive and did not deserve your harsh treatment.
Stormer: the word anti-Semite does NOT have any scientific connotation. Starting with 1860s, the "Jewish question" gained in importance in Germany, where Jews not only lacked equality but even citizenship. There were great debates in the press at the time. During one of those, a journalist invented the word "anti-Semite" to designate bigots hating the Jews. Contrary to the way it sounds, it is NOT an opposite to "Semite," which is a scientific term denoting a group of people.
Thus, to be a Semite is to belong to the Semitic group (which indeed includes Arabs), but to be an anti-Semite is to be against Jews only, and not other members of the Semitic group.
Well then, I apologise for being unclear. My comment about the left was in reference to HearMe’s remark about the BBC and the British press. I assumed that no-one would think I was saying that David Cameron was of the left (at least in British terms).
Thank you for your thoughtful and informative response - you’ve answered my question. I know language is imperfect, and I appreciate hearing from those who recognize and are able to explain the shortcomings evident in its use.
It’s nothing new. British policy has always been as anti-Israel as possible. In 1948, British officers participated in war crimes, the massacres of Gush Etzion, the bombardment of the Jewish Quarter in the Old City. In the 1930s, they sank ships full of refugees in international waters. In 1929, they tried to cover up the Arab atrocities in Hebron. Anti-Semitic banter at cocktail parties is the very least of it.
If that was a real question then I apologize. But most times I see it, it is someone being a smart Alec asking — “But Arabs are Semites too so how can they be called anti-Semitic”
Maybe the British will get what they deserve when Islam inevitability rules there.You are sadly correct... and not just for Britain.
Hitler didn't invent antisemitism in Europe, he just took it to its logical conclusion. It is historically part of Europe and it still exists. And it's ironic that the most antisemitic of all people, the Muslims, are now overrunning Europe and will, in one or two generations, show all Europeans the horrors of the life they have worked for so long and hard to achieve in their centuries-long endeavors to solve the Jewish Problem.
By the way, thanks for pointing out the 2/3 mandate stolen by Britain and handed to the Arabs.
So . . . by “English” he actually meant “British?” He’s not saying the English are more anti-Semitic than the Irish, Welsh, and Scots, right?
Peres is right to a certain degree, but I’m surprised he said it — he’s usually quite diplomatic in his criticisms. Old age, I suspect.
Don’t forget that Peres probably was personally involved with the struggle against the British in 1948.
Yep, no doubt.
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