Posted on 07/29/2010 1:01:40 AM PDT by rxsid
Being dismissed on lack of standing is the Supreme court way of saying thay don’t want to get involved. They want congress to remove obama . When we have Supreme court justices that don’t want to support the Constitution ,our nation has some serious issues to deal with.
Sorry, was away for dinner. I'll have to catch up tomorrow....thanks!
You used the Senate resolution to suggest that even Leahy agrees that one must be born of 2 citizen parents to be a NBC. That was dishonest, since the resolution dealt with someone born abroad.
No law can amend the Constitution, but it doesn’t require an amendment to say what NBC means. Since it was not defined in the Constitution, the meaning must be found elsewhere. The Supreme Court looked to English common law, but would probably also consider Congressional resolutions.
As I pointed out at some length, in 1875 there was significant disagreement about NBC and even citizen. WKA and other cases have provided a lot of resolution. To pretend the legal system stopped in 1875 is silly. By the mid 1900s, most lawyers had concluded that a NBC included anyone born in the USA.
Consider Ed Meese from the Reagan administration writing in 2005:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”In United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), the Supreme Court relied on English common law regarding jus soli to inform the meaning of “citizen” in the Fourteenth Amendment as well as the natural-born-citizenship requirement of Article II, and noted that any right to citizenship through jus sanguinis was available only by statute, and not through the Constitution. ” - THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION
He did not write that with Obama in mind. He wrote it because that summarized common legal opinion.
I really would not know what information to put on his original BC. I know what not to put on it - a birth in Hawaii.
And the name of the parents in the August 13, 1961 “Honolulu Advertiser” birth announcement and the August 14, 1961 “Honolulu Star-Bulliten” birth announcement is “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Hussein Obama” of 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy. Honolulu. They had a son born on August 4th.
And the Star and Advertiser shared their classifieds, so one ad would have been one too many for an "announcement" that does not state who was born where, or indicate how the information was transmitted it to either one paper or the other.
Libtards are suffering from a shared psychosis that Barack Hussein Obama is actually the name of the person born in Hawaii who's illegally occupying the White House. Whoever that poser is, he's leveraging, blackmailing, and or threatening the Hawaiian Health Director to lie for him, if not for other illegal aliens who falsely acquired citizenship.
There is a lot of money and careers depending upon keeping this charade going. There were a lot of $$promises made to Asian and Native Hawaiians by Congressman Neil Aberzombie and Barack Insane Obama to make Native Hawaiians a tribe and to spread some social justice in the direction of Asians who were smuggled into Hawaii to work on the plantations as indentured servants, aka, paid slave labor with better working conditions.
People who think that Barack Hussein Obama's birth narrative is all true are not only unable to connect the dots, they don't even recognize the dots that make it impossible for Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, Sr to be in Hawaii at the same time they are said to be there.
Being dismissed on lack of standing is the Supreme court way of saying thay don’t want to get involved. They want congress to remove obama . When we have Supreme court justices that don’t want to support the Constitution ,our nation has some serious issues to deal with.
The Supreme Court has refused to hear any of the appeals. They only accept about 5% of the cases sent to them in any year and it take four justices to agree to hear a case (The rule of Four). When they reject a case (”denied cert”) they usually don’t state a reason for rejecting it. The appeal just shows up on the list of denied Petitions for Writs of Certiorari (please hear our appeal Mr. and Madam Justices).
The link you posted does nothing to confirm what you wrote. Second I like your Freudian slip referring to Barack Hussein Obama Junior. Isn't it strange that Barack is supposedly named the II instead of Junior? Do you know the protocols for such differences? Is it possible Barack has or had another middle name? Is it possible Barack Senior is not his biological father? Why did Barack Senior name his second male child the II? Again a very interesting slip(up) by you.
....All the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health was doing was verifying Obama’s birth record. The state of Hawaii has three original records for Barack Hussein Obama:
(1)A Certificate of Live Birth (original birth certificate); (2)Index data showing that they have a vital record that is a birth record for a male child named Barack Hussein Obama Junior; and (3) a computer print out Certifcation of Live Birth which excerpts pertinent data from the original Certificate of Live Birth.
Here’s a link to confirmation of what I just wrote above:
http://www.hi5deposit.com/health/vital-records/obama.html.....
The link you posted does nothing to confirm what you wrote. Second I like your Freudian slip referring to Barack Hussein Obama Junior. Isn’t it strange that Barack is supposedly named the II instead of Junior? Do you know the protocols for such differences? Is it possible Barack has or had another middle name? Is it possible Barack Senior is not his biological father? Why did Barack Senior name his second male child the II? Again a very interesting slip(up) by you.
Poster “Danae” promised to post her brand spanking new long form when it arrived from the state. No post.
My $200 donation based on our bet will now stay in my pocket.
As for Junior versus II, I think most folks posting here know what I mean. The Index Record for person who went on to become the 44th President of the United States is a birth record for a male named “Barack Hussein Obama II.”
Haven’t you noticed? No court of law cares about your speculations on National Enquirer level “what ifs.”
“Isn’t it strange that Barack is supposedly named the II instead of Junior?”
Why? My Dad hated the sound of ‘Jr” and insisted on II on my birth certificate.
Why? My Dad hated the sound of ‘Jr” and insisted on II on my birth certificate.
That explains alot, two peas in a pod.
Actually II is not commonly used, apparently one of several exceptions is by those afraid of their offspring being referrred to as sissy and weak etc by using Junior, go ahead google it. Barack sure is a sissy and IMO gay or bisexual. No implication towards you in reference to the latter meant.
They’re very thick on this thread.
Odd, that.
Maybe it’s the Friday thing, filling quotas maybe?
“Actually II is not commonly used...”
May be regional. I’ve met a number of IIs, and yet to meet a Jr. I doubt my Dad ‘googled’ anything in the late 50s...just did what he thought best.
Does his brigade commander have the authority to deploy additional forces to Afghanistan in support of OEF, as Lakin’s orders directly stated he was to do (starting by moving to the base from which he would be sent), without a valid order by the CIC?
Well the usurper is using your kids, the military and you. ROE, Muslim Brotherhood, intel leaked back to Al Qeada and the Taliban to kill American troops. Saudis, CAIR, MB. You have no earthly clue what is going on.
It is easy to be ignorant. Makes life easy.
How does that make you feel? Feel good?
Great post. Rogers is a troll. I doubt he has any kids in any military. Uses the typical disinformation.
Because Obama’s BC is amended, Hawaii law says it is not prima facie evidence. The probative value of the BC has to be determined when the BC is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body.
So even if the BC was presented in court, it would only reach the level of legal evidence if the judge or court ruled it to be so. Its legal status until a judge or administrator rules on its probative value is that of hearsay.
While I was in the Army, I had to memorize and be able to recite the whole chain of command. It included the Secretary of the Army, all the way to the President.
The purpose was to be able to explain the authority of each in the chain. The President gets his authority from the Constitution and delegates it to each down the chain.
If the chain is broken there is no authority that can be exercised.
We just don't who that number legally belongs to.
The certificate number is from the original Certificate of Live Birth and it appears on COLB’s whether they are scanned images on the internet or the copies of COLBs sent directly from the Department of Health.
There's no evidence indicating the factlack dot org number appears on Obama's 'original Certificate of Live Birth' but there is evidence that it doesn't (thanks Eleanor!).
Perhaps at some point, Dr. Fukino will submit a sworn deposition or be called to testify in a court of law. I think that would be great.
It should be unnecessary. Let's review the language in 338-18(d) “... and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public ...” It does NOT say “... and such other data as the director may be forcibly deposed or compelled to testify despite her vigorous efforts to refuse, deflect, lie or spin ... '
The rule of law is the goal. The impediment is people who ridicule the need for it.
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