Posted on 07/28/2010 2:42:38 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright
ALIPAC’s William Gheen is a shyster, but the group is not “anti-immigrant”. Shame on Fox.
That's not including the body count.
This is a very real problem. I have seen the trash fields South of Tucon. It was like a slap in the face to see how people were dumping what looked like a year of trash all over the place. The cleanup crews were stretched out over miles but in the early AM they couldn't pick up enough to conceal the complete and total environmental disaster that illegal immigration had dumped on our state.
The solution: Put out the fire. Stop it now. Then address safety measures and work from there.
We cannot comprehensively address the entire problem of immigration. There's simply no consensus on the approach. Addressed in increments, however, we may arrive at a solution. This is how it must be done. The boiling toad approach. Stop the border crossings. Enable them to leave. Then make them leave. Then address policy when we are not under pressure to create a solution overnight, and we can arrive at a fair decision.
I think you, if you're a citizen, can see the reason to this approach.
You misdirected that reply; I’m not pro-amnesty.
Have a good day.
I think we need to do a few things:
Give American companies incentives to move their manufacturing facilities out of China and into Mexico. That will both, 1) hasten the exit of illegals 2) reduce costs to American companies in shipping.
Things like lawn maintenance and construction work can be moved to kids. They need to learn a trade anyway.
Hotel employment will be picked up by older Americans.
Restaurants can hire college kids to work in their kitchens.
Obviously the company incentives won’t happen but there is no reason why the others can’t happen.
Just pro importing third world sweatshop labor to displace Americans and foist the societal costs of said sweatshop labor onto the displaced Americans. Profits for the sweatshop owners, screw everyone else. I get it now. My bad.
A heartfelt ‘bon voyage’ to all of them.
Agree 100%.
You left out reducing govt regulation, which will reduce costs more than most you listed and allow the free market to let wages and prices settle appropriately at a products worth.
Ping!
Be watching the newswires - Judge Bolton will probably announce her decision today around 1500 MST...just a guess, of course.
Since this no longer had to be done by hand, more cotton could be processed and the demand for pickers actually increased. Eli Whitney is said to have regretted inventing it for that reason.
Further, the invention of the automatic washing machine actually increased the time spent doing laundry. Before the automatic washing machine, people had three sets of clothes-- one for Sunday best and two for everyday. Washing was done once a week, usually Monday with all the labor involved with heating water, hand wringers and washboards. I'm barely half a century old and can remember my own grandmother swearing that automatic washing machines could not do as good a job as she did with her semi-automated methods. I also think she was probably right.
However, the bottom line is that automatic washers took over the job and, almost simultaneously, one or two changes of clothes per week was no longer good enough for most people-- washing evolved into an everyday chore with the greatly reduced labor involved.
The point is that we just do not know exactly which path the future will take as technology advances. To assume that lettuce will be unaffordable if illegal alien labor isn't available to pick it at third world wages ignores that fact that lettuce is already available in other first world countries which do not use illegal alien labor. In Japan, for instance, they may pay more for lettuce, but they've also developed ways to grow it commercially in factories with artificial light and hydroponics.
“Once the cheap labor is gone, American goods and services will cost more. “
That theory has been shot down so many times you couldn’t have missed it! Forget it! You know the stats. A head of lettuce might cost you a penny or two more.....can you afford that for your country’s sovereignty?
Let’s say Mr. Illegal Alien earns $5.00 an hour picking lettuce. Let’s say he picks 200 heads per hour. (Not much of a lettuce picker, but let’s just say)
That’s a labor cost of 2 1/2 cents per head of lettuce.
Alien has to go home. We have to hire....shudder...an American at twice the price, $10.00 per hour. NOW, it costs, in labor, 5 CENTS per head!
The labor cost DOUBLED! Instead of a $1.00 for a head of lettuce, I’m going to have to pay 2 1/ 2 Cents more!
That’s a 2 1/2% increase, not double, not triple.
At a dozen heads a year, that 30 cents is gonna bankrupt us all!
Don’t pick at the example, you get the point, prices are NOT going to double, our cost of living is NOT going to be destroyed by a loss of illegal aliens, but your jail and hospitals and schools and city just might be saved. I’ll be glad to pay my 2.5 cents to help you out.
see also:http://www.lawatchdog.com/HeadOfLettuceCost.html
Now what might happen....when the lazy citizens of the USA have lost their 2 years of unemployment, they can work these jobs or starve. I don’t care which.
WHY is a group that is calling itself Americans for Legal Immigration being referred to as an anti-immigrant group?
Because we have allowed the left to refer to illegal aliens as “immigrants”.
Wait, this story isn't about immigrants - it's about "illegals" - ok - I get it...
You were right and I'm absolutely LIVID over the ruling
Take a look at this link (please ignore the fact that it gets the guy's middle initial wrong). Note that the page points out that even that slight amount of increase makes an agri-business uncompetitive.
But frankly, I'm not talking about just the 3% price increase from farm workers.
And you answer my question in the last line. You note that American wage expectations must decrease. Thank you. (I'd prefer Americans improve productivity, too.)
Doh!
Though separating the fibers in cotton was a very time/labor intensive operation, too.
:-)
It sounds like a smart idea because it puts a scare into them. It is like a plea bargain - take this deal while you can because you might get something worse. It is a carrot and a stick, reminding them that they could be punished, especially with the highly charged recent events that have happened. This could start a run for the border as people tend to follow one another. I like the idea that they would be encouraged to go back home before they start thinking about going to other states. Another good thing is that illegals have friends and relatives in other states. If the Arizona illegals go home, they will tell their social networks in other states and this will encourage others in other states to start heading for the border.
I have despised those WSJ editorial board creeps for at least 20 years. They are still sickening when it comes to illegal immigration. I like libertarianism within our borders where we have a common set of laws. But I play hardball when it comes to trade and immigration with predatory nations such as Mexico. Screw Mexico, I despise the way GW was always catering to that failed narco-state
Excellent answer, as that's a part of the solution. You've selected choice #1, in part, as it means Americans have to recognize that if they can't find a job that pays what they were making, it's because the market is no longer supporting that wage for that job!
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