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The Coming End Of Islamic Fascism In Iran
Forbes ^
| July 22, 2010
| Reza Kahlili
Posted on 07/23/2010 5:02:14 AM PDT by nuconvert
Crucial signs that freedom is not only possible but imminent.
The Iranian Revolution of 1979 began with Ayatollah Khomeini promising Iranians full freedom and a government by the people and for the people. In his speeches leading up to the Revolution, the Ayatollah proclaimed that, "A nation that doesn't have freedom does not have civilization. A civilized nation is one that is free." He also said that, "There should be freedom of the press and people should have the right to their opinion" and "In our government, clergy will not govern but help you with your spirituality. In our government, women will be free, and officials can be publicly criticized."
People, joyful of his positive messages, turned their backs on the Shah--who had brought them peace, respect, and luxury--in the hope of the political freedom that was nonexistent during the Shah. Sadly, this joy quickly turned to horror. Instead of the freedom he'd promised, Khomeini snatched back the liberties women had begun to gain under the Shah, reducing them to second-class citizens without the right to inheritance, child custody and divorce. Khomeini and his cohorts forced women to wear the Islamic hijab--whipping them if they didn't--and reverted to stoning woman for adultery. The Islamic regime claimed that anyone speaking against them was mohareb, an enemy of God. Because the regime purported to be representatives of God on Earth, they ordered the execution of all opposition. Teenage girls were raped before their deaths because the regime felt this would prevent them from going to heaven. Boys were rounded up and hanged from cranes.
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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: freedom; iran; rezakahlili; sanctions
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
An amazing man, that Winston Churchill. Unabashedly proud of Christendom, eloquent and persistent.
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posted on
07/23/2010 7:05:42 AM PDT
by
married21
(As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
To: GonzoGOP
“Persians tend to hold their society as being superior to everyone else, and would never openly admit to needing help from anyone.”
That doesn’t quite jive with the “when is Bush going to come and save us” sentiment after we invaded Iraq. Yes, that was a frequently heard phrase in Tehran (along with similar ones)
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posted on
07/23/2010 7:07:29 AM PDT
by
nuconvert
( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
To: nuconvert
That doesnt quite jive with the when is Bush going to come and save us sentiment after we invaded Iraq. Yes, that was a frequently heard phrase in Tehran (along with similar ones)
And the people of Iraq all loved us right up until the started using IEDs to blow our troops up. Gratitude is not something you are ever going to get out of the Middle East. If you do something there, you do it for yourself. If it happens to benefit the locals so much the better, but that can't be our concern. We want the mullahs gone because the support terrorist attacks against us. If we are forced to fight them we take out the mullahs, blow up as much of the weapons production facilities as we can find and GTFO as fast as we can. The mistake we made in Iraq was sticking around. The day after Saddam took a long drop on a short rope we should have declared victory and thrown a ticker-tape parade in New York for our returning troops.
We tried to give them democracy and freedom, and neither seems to be taking root. And as a consequence we have more casualties and worst of all Obama as president. No good we could possibly do in the Middle East was worth the damage to the United States done by Obama.
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posted on
07/23/2010 7:18:04 AM PDT
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: GonzoGOP
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posted on
07/23/2010 7:28:05 AM PDT
by
nuconvert
( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
To: GonzoGOP
"We tried to give them democracy and freedom, and neither seems to be taking root..."
And that is because the concept of individual liberty is so radical to the theocratic collectivist culture and systems of government across the middle east that liberty will never be allowed to flourish there unless Islam has a great schism which I can not see happening anytime soon.
I agree with the post that we should have left once sadaam was hanged and let them rise or fall on their own accord.
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posted on
07/23/2010 7:34:17 AM PDT
by
mrmeyer
("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
To: Paladin2
The people of Iran are not Arabs—they are Persian.
To: mrmeyer
I agree with the post that we should have left once sadaam was hanged and let them rise or fall on their own accord.
The example I always give is that France helped us win the revolution, but the French King didn't do it out of some love for democracy. He did it to destabilize his rival Britain. The French also didn't stick around after Cornwallis surrendered to help us rebuild. The said Adieu and went back to Europe to deal with European issues. And Washington, Jefferson and Franklin go on with the job of welding 13 independently minded colonies into a nation. If they had failed and the infant US descended into chaos the French didn't care. They had dealt a blow to England, and that, not the founding of the United States was their goal in the war. Does that make the French bad people? No, we couldn't have won the revolution without them. But the enemy of my enemy is not my friend, he is my enemy's enemy no more and no less.
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posted on
07/23/2010 7:50:50 AM PDT
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: foreshadowed at waco
That’s the point, don’cha think?
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posted on
07/23/2010 7:52:53 AM PDT
by
Paladin2
To: married21
An amazing man, that Winston Churchill. Unabashedly proud of Christendom, eloquent and persistent.
If you want a good read pick up "The River War" by Winston Churchill. It is available for free for the Kindle or as an audio book from The Gutenberg Project. Written in 1899 before he, or many of the people in the book, became famous it is an interesting pre-PC look at islamic fanatics, dysfunctional middle east countries, and trying to wage a war a long way from home with insufficient resources and long fragile supply lines. Substitute JDAM and Stealth bomber for Maxim Gun and Steam boat and it reads like today's newspapers.
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posted on
07/23/2010 7:55:42 AM PDT
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: nuconvert
Sounds like the Iranians need bumper stickers of the Shah with “Do You Miss Me Now”.
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posted on
07/23/2010 8:10:03 AM PDT
by
Bringbackthedraft
(As Americans we must think We the People, not we the Party.)
To: married21
I found that every one of his speeches fit well in that poetry-type format
Interesting nickname! Married 21 years, or married & 21?
I hope to meet my wife this year.
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posted on
07/23/2010 8:19:18 AM PDT
by
chuck_the_tv_out
( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
To: GonzoGOP
Firstly, I agree with a lot of things youve said in this thread. Also want to note the following, as provocative as they are:
>>>The example I always give is that France helped us win the revolution, but the French King didn’t do it out of some love for democracy.
Yep, France, at the time, was NOT a democracy.
Youre right. You cant expect democracy from those who dont have it, themselves. The French, back then, beheaded their King and Queen. True, I guess, it doesnt make them bad people.
>>>The mistake we made in Iraq was sticking around. The day after Saddam took a long drop on a short rope we should have declared victory and thrown a ticker-tape parade in New York for our returning troops.
The mistake we made and seemingly continue to make is to stick around in the ME for decades, for one reason or another.
How was it that Saddam stayed around for years in Iraq before someone decided his & his regimes time were finally up in 2003?
Where is OBL, today, BTW? Did we catch him?
Agreed. Re-building of communities, cities, towns, societies, their essential infrastructure & their political processes should be left to those who own them, after we beat the crap out of them. But then, one should not interfere in those places & matters, in the first place, nor at any other time & in any way, directly or indirectly, as an outsider, one can argue!
>>>If we are forced to fight them we take out the mullahs, blow up as much of the weapons production facilities as we can find and GTFO as fast as we can.
forced to fight them?! What Exactly does that mean? Do we have to be FORCED to do something?
>>>Persians tend to hold their society as being superior to everyone else,
As far as I know, Persians do not hold their society as being superior to everyone else any more than many other societies perceive themselves to be superior to others. But then, superiority has many different facades.
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posted on
07/23/2010 9:35:37 AM PDT
by
odds
To: odds
forced to fight them?! What Exactly does that mean? Do we have to be FORCED to do something?
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. So rather than wright a 2000 word essay, here are a couple of pictures.
![](http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:-KIdJgNiQuOlBM:http://www.nocaptionneeded.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/wtc-9-11.jpg)
![](http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:sFvvgaSgI1HZKM:http://maryt.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/pearl-harbor-uss-virginia.jpg)
Sometimes the decision to fight isn't yours. The other guy starts shooting and your only choice is to shoot back, die or become a slave. At that point you are "forced to fight".
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posted on
07/23/2010 9:42:05 AM PDT
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: GonzoGOP
>>>>”Sometimes the decision to fight isn’t yours. The other guy starts shooting and your only choice is to shoot back, die or become a slave. At that point you are “forced to fight”.”
Yes, you’re right. Then again, sometimes, you have to understand the old saying along the lines of: “An Ounce of Prevention is Worth a Pound of Cure”.
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posted on
07/23/2010 9:48:20 AM PDT
by
odds
To: nuconvert
The people of Iran might just look at what is starting to work in Iraq . A functioning democratic-republic is coming closer to being viable, even without day-to-day American involvement . If the mullas are thrown out and they put in a system similar to the one Bush and company installed in Iraq.... well, maybe, George W. might just be thought of as being truly a great president, even Reagan-like .
To: nuconvert
Unfortunately, with Obambi in the White House, any chance of US support for the opponents of the Islamic fascists is impossible.
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posted on
07/23/2010 4:26:22 PM PDT
by
Ronin
To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
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posted on
07/23/2010 7:46:21 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: SunkenCiv; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; 5Madman2; ...
Phone reports from Iran indicate the people are now in a deeper crisis mode than ever as shortages hit and fuel for vehicles becmes harder to find and food items are either no longer easily available or cost so much they are way beyond most family income or budgets.
Rumors abound that president Ahmadi-Nejad will be removed from office but in reality the most likely action will be that General Jaffari, commander of the paramilitary Revolutionary Guards, which is the core influence/power in Iran right now, will implement a coup and take over running the country.
Other reports indicate that INSIDE Iran there is a new surge of support for HIH Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi (already called Reza Shah II by many of his supporters) though there is a huge ambivalence about restoring a monarchy in the Iranian populace.
There may be some support for him emerging from a formerly hostile but now confused Obama administration.
In any event, check out this post on AntiMullah:
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2010/07/oba-hussein-changing-our-emblem.html
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posted on
07/24/2010 1:07:06 PM PDT
by
FARS
(Be well, be happy and thrive)
To: FARS
This is coming to America. The idiots watching ballgames and TV who support the O regime by watching TV are in for a shock.
Maybe we can give Iran Obama and we will take the midget Turk who is not even a persian. He cannot be any worse than Obama.
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posted on
07/24/2010 1:19:27 PM PDT
by
Frantzie
(Democrats = Party of I*lam)
To: Eric in the Ozarks
After 20 years of loving Forbes it went down. Their columnist in investments was made wealthy by Forbes and he is one of Obama’s closest supporters and earliest financial backers.
Forbes helped elect Obama. The columist is also a sh**ty money manager and an AA type.
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posted on
07/24/2010 1:22:56 PM PDT
by
Frantzie
(Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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