The Coming End Of Islamic Fascism In Iran

Forbes ^ | July 22, 2010 | Reza Kahlili

[married21]

An amazing man, that Winston Churchill. Unabashedly proud of Christendom, eloquent and persistent.

[nuconvert]

“Persians tend to hold their society as being superior to everyone else, and would never openly admit to needing help from anyone.”

That doesn’t quite jive with the “when is Bush going to come and save us” sentiment after we invaded Iraq. Yes, that was a frequently heard phrase in Tehran (along with similar ones)

[GonzoGOP]

That doesn’t quite jive with the “when is Bush going to come and save us” sentiment after we invaded Iraq. Yes, that was a frequently heard phrase in Tehran (along with similar ones)

And the people of Iraq all loved us right up until the started using IEDs to blow our troops up. Gratitude is not something you are ever going to get out of the Middle East. If you do something there, you do it for yourself. If it happens to benefit the locals so much the better, but that can't be our concern. We want the mullahs gone because the support terrorist attacks against us. If we are forced to fight them we take out the mullahs, blow up as much of the weapons production facilities as we can find and GTFO as fast as we can. The mistake we made in Iraq was sticking around. The day after Saddam took a long drop on a short rope we should have declared victory and thrown a ticker-tape parade in New York for our returning troops.

We tried to give them democracy and freedom, and neither seems to be taking root. And as a consequence we have more casualties and worst of all Obama as president. No good we could possibly do in the Middle East was worth the damage to the United States done by Obama.

[nuconvert]

yikes

okie dokie

[mrmeyer]

"We tried to give them democracy and freedom, and neither seems to be taking root..."

And that is because the concept of individual liberty is so radical to the theocratic collectivist culture and systems of government across the middle east that liberty will never be allowed to flourish there unless Islam has a great schism which I can not see happening anytime soon.

I agree with the post that we should have left once sadaam was hanged and let them rise or fall on their own accord.

[foreshadowed at waco]

The people of Iran are not Arabs—they are Persian.

[GonzoGOP]

I agree with the post that we should have left once sadaam was hanged and let them rise or fall on their own accord.

The example I always give is that France helped us win the revolution, but the French King didn't do it out of some love for democracy. He did it to destabilize his rival Britain. The French also didn't stick around after Cornwallis surrendered to help us rebuild. The said Adieu and went back to Europe to deal with European issues. And Washington, Jefferson and Franklin go on with the job of welding 13 independently minded colonies into a nation. If they had failed and the infant US descended into chaos the French didn't care. They had dealt a blow to England, and that, not the founding of the United States was their goal in the war. Does that make the French bad people? No, we couldn't have won the revolution without them. But the enemy of my enemy is not my friend, he is my enemy's enemy no more and no less.

[Paladin2]

That’s the point, don’cha think?

[GonzoGOP]

An amazing man, that Winston Churchill. Unabashedly proud of Christendom, eloquent and persistent.

If you want a good read pick up "The River War" by Winston Churchill. It is available for free for the Kindle or as an audio book from The Gutenberg Project. Written in 1899 before he, or many of the people in the book, became famous it is an interesting pre-PC look at islamic fanatics, dysfunctional middle east countries, and trying to wage a war a long way from home with insufficient resources and long fragile supply lines. Substitute JDAM and Stealth bomber for Maxim Gun and Steam boat and it reads like today's newspapers.

[Bringbackthedraft]

Sounds like the Iranians need bumper stickers of the Shah with “Do You Miss Me Now”.

[chuck_the_tv_out]

I found that every one of his speeches fit well in that poetry-type format

Interesting nickname! Married 21 years, or married & 21?

I hope to meet my wife this year.

[odds]

Firstly, I agree with a lot of things you’ve said in this thread. Also want to note the following, as provocative as they are:

>>>”The example I always give is that France helped us win the revolution, but the French King didn’t do it out of some love for democracy.”

Yep, France, at the time, was NOT a ‘democracy’.

You’re right. You can’t expect ‘democracy’ from those who don’t have it, themselves. The French, back then, beheaded their King and Queen. True, I guess, it doesn’t make them ‘bad people’.

>>>”The mistake we made in Iraq was sticking around. The day after Saddam took a long drop on a short rope we should have declared victory and thrown a ticker-tape parade in New York for our returning troops.”

The ‘mistake’ we made and seemingly continue to make is to stick around in the ME for decades, for one reason or another.

How was it that Saddam stayed around for years in Iraq before someone decided his & his regime’s time were finally up in 2003?

Where is OBL, today, BTW? Did we catch him?

Agreed. Re-building of communities, cities, towns, societies, their essential infrastructure & their political processes should be left to those who own them, after we beat the crap out of them. But then, one should not interfere in those places & matters, in the first place, nor at any other time & in any way, directly or indirectly, as an ‘outsider’, one can argue!

>>>”If we are forced to fight them we take out the mullahs, blow up as much of the weapons production facilities as we can find and GTFO as fast as we can.”

“forced to fight them”?! What Exactly does that mean? Do we have to be FORCED to do something?

>>>”Persians tend to hold their society as being superior to everyone else,”

As far as I know, “Persians” do not hold “their society as being superior to everyone else” any more than many other societies perceive themselves to be superior to others. But then, superiority has many different facades.

[GonzoGOP]

“forced to fight them”?! What Exactly does that mean? Do we have to be FORCED to do something?

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. So rather than wright a 2000 word essay, here are a couple of pictures.

Sometimes the decision to fight isn't yours. The other guy starts shooting and your only choice is to shoot back, die or become a slave. At that point you are "forced to fight".

[odds]

>>>>”Sometimes the decision to fight isn’t yours. The other guy starts shooting and your only choice is to shoot back, die or become a slave. At that point you are “forced to fight”.”

Yes, you’re right. Then again, sometimes, you have to understand the old saying along the lines of: “An Ounce of Prevention is Worth a Pound of Cure”.

[Freak Flag]

The people of Iran might just look at what is starting to work in Iraq . A functioning democratic-republic is coming closer to being viable, even without day-to-day American involvement . If the mullas are thrown out and they put in a system similar to the one Bush and company installed in Iraq.... well, maybe, George W. might just be thought of as being truly a great president, even Reagan-like .

[Ronin]

Unfortunately, with Obambi in the White House, any chance of US support for the opponents of the Islamic fascists is impossible.

[SunkenCiv]

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Muzzies mass murder, water's wet:

• Over 20 killed in Iran mosque explosions: agency [100 were injured.......] [se city of Zahedan]
• Iran Blames US For Suicide Bombing

sidebar group 1:

• Rising Speculation About Bombing Iran's Nukes (Two non-hawks say Obama might bomb Iran)
• Iran Backs Three Shia Terror Groups in Iraq: General Odierno
• Rising Speculation About Bombing Iran's Nukes

sidebar group 2:

• A Quiet Axis Forms Against Iran in the Middle East
• Al-Arabiya Director Calls Nuclear Iran 'Most Dangerous Threat That is Facing Our Region in..
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does not include...

• Russia says Iran close to nuclear weapons
• Russia warns Iran near nuclear weapons potential (President Dmitry Medvedev)
• Contract on S-300 deliveries to Iran not canceled
• Iran and the Missile Defense Imperative

[FARS]

Phone reports from Iran indicate the people are now in a deeper crisis mode than ever as shortages hit and fuel for vehicles becmes harder to find and food items are either no longer easily available or cost so much they are way beyond most family income or budgets.

Rumors abound that president Ahmadi-Nejad will be removed from office but in reality the most likely action will be that General Jaffari, commander of the paramilitary Revolutionary Guards, which is the core influence/power in Iran right now, will implement a coup and take over running the country.

Other reports indicate that INSIDE Iran there is a new surge of support for HIH Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi (already called Reza Shah II by many of his supporters) though there is a huge ambivalence about restoring a monarchy in the Iranian populace.

There may be some support for him emerging from a formerly hostile but now confused Obama administration.

In any event, check out this post on AntiMullah:
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2010/07/oba-hussein-changing-our-emblem.html

[Frantzie]

This is coming to America. The idiots watching ballgames and TV who support the O regime by watching TV are in for a shock.

Maybe we can give Iran Obama and we will take the midget Turk who is not even a persian. He cannot be any worse than Obama.

[Frantzie]

After 20 years of loving Forbes it went down. Their columnist in investments was made wealthy by Forbes and he is one of Obama’s closest supporters and earliest financial backers.

Forbes helped elect Obama. The columist is also a sh**ty money manager and an AA type.