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Obama Moves away from 'Freedom of Religion' toward 'Freedom of Worship'?
Catholic Online ^ | June 18, 2010 | Randy Sly

Posted on 07/18/2010 5:21:46 PM PDT by upchuck

Since the initially strong language on religious freedom used in President Obama's Cairo speech, presidential references to religious freedom have become rare, often replaced, at most, with references to freedom of worship. A purposeful change in language could mean a much narrower view of the right to religious freedom. As Catholics, this is an area where we must remain vigilant. These small changes can be used to change our perception of rights and freedoms.

The change in language was barely noticeable to the average citizen but political observers are raising red flags at the use of a new term "freedom of worship" by President Obama and Secretary Clinton as a replacement for the term freedom of religion. This shift happened between the President's speech in Cairo where he showcased America's freedom of religion and his appearance in November at a memorial for the victims of Fort Hood, where he specifically used the term "freedom of worship." From that point on, it has become the term of choice for the president and Clinton.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: freedomofreligion; freedomofworship; july; moralabsolutes
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To: GeronL

>> “freedom of religion” implies you have a choice of which religion

That is correct. Freedom of worship relates to behavior. Freedom of religion is about freedom of belief, and the right to express that belief openly in public.

The Left is attempting to eliminate the language that protects spiritual belief. This is meant to constrain Christianity.


21 posted on 07/18/2010 6:28:07 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: upchuck
He wants to be worshiped. Hitler-Obama Crowd Worship Pictures, Images and Photos
22 posted on 07/18/2010 6:29:07 PM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: upchuck

The Catholic Church must purge itself of any vestige of Liberation Theology.


23 posted on 07/18/2010 6:34:03 PM PDT by FreeDeerHawk
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To: Salman

Not freedom of religion, as I understand it.


24 posted on 07/18/2010 6:40:15 PM PDT by justsaynomore (The Hermanator - www.hermancain.com)
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To: Tax-chick

I’m sure most people in Germany during Hiter’s rise to power did not realize how bad it was going to get, but probably many had an inkling.

I don’t think 0thugga will get that bad because more people are awake, plus a large percentage of Americans are armed. Plus I doubt whether the entire mil. will support him if gets more “transparent” with his agenda.

The administration reallllly wants to shut down the internet.

Too bad so many Rs are neutered socailist-lites themselves.


25 posted on 07/18/2010 6:43:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: upchuck

You have a right to worship the One, everything else is racism.


26 posted on 07/18/2010 6:45:49 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (2012, the end of our long national nightmare.)
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To: upchuck

I’m not a catholic, but the author of this piece is exactly correct. Freedom of religion is much bigger than freedom of worship. Freedom of worship is only a tiny subset of Freedom of religion. For example, freedom of worship does not include freedom to evangelize; Freedom of religion does.


27 posted on 07/18/2010 7:22:47 PM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: upchuck; BenKenobi; Tax-chick; livius; Gene Eric; Guyin4Os
In his 1941 State of the Union address, Franklin Roosevelt enumerated the so-called "Four Freedoms" (later memorialized by Norman Rockwell in those hugely popular paintings):

"In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

"The first is freedom of speech and expression -- everywhere in the world.

"The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way -- everywhere in the world.

"The third is freedom from want -- which, translated into universal terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants -- everywhere in the world.

"The fourth is freedom from fear -- which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor—anywhere in the world..."

Now, it could be that Mordred is simply paying homage to his socialist-globalist predecessor. However, as posters have pointed out, that's not the way to bet.

28 posted on 07/18/2010 7:52:51 PM PDT by Tenniel2 (Clarkson, Hammond, and May: the last three sane men in the British Isles.)
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To: upchuck

Obama hates institutions which make America strong. Keep that in mind when you consider this subtle change. Religion is an institution. Worship is a simple act.


29 posted on 07/18/2010 7:58:48 PM PDT by magellan
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To: savagesusie

True, true! For a good example of this, please pay attention to the terms being used to frame the Arizona debate. You’ll see a lot of people talking about “migration” rather than “immigration.” The difference between “religion” and “worship” could turn out to be significant.


30 posted on 07/18/2010 8:17:18 PM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: D_Idaho

The marxists always change the words—twist the meaning and thinking

....lot of times when they talk about illegal immigration...they leave off the word illegal intentionally in debates. They don’t allow “illegal alien” term.

Like the war—they don’t allow the words “Islamic terror” to be put together, Or when the Muslim youths are rioting and burning cars in France—Fox News quit saying Muslim Youths although it was the fact. Journalism no longer uses the standards for putting objective truth in the newspapers...there is no standard...all brainwashing and lies to shape what people think.

Marxists....commies....have to change the words to win the sympathy of the people...and win the debates which they always LOSE when people know what they are talking about. All about the Big Lie.


31 posted on 07/18/2010 9:36:31 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Gene Eric
That is correct. Freedom of worship relates to behavior. Freedom of religion is about freedom of belief, and the right to express that belief openly in public.

While I prefer the term "freedom of religion" over "freedom of worship", they both pale in comparision to what Gustavus Adolphus won at Breitenfeld in 1632, "freedom of conscience"...

the infowarrior

32 posted on 07/18/2010 9:48:08 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: deputytess
I’ll bet he means freedom to worship him .

Or he who he serves....
33 posted on 07/18/2010 9:55:48 PM PDT by JSteff (((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)))
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To: upchuck
We are in serious trouble here folks, hope that you recognize the fact.
34 posted on 07/18/2010 10:49:01 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: upchuck
I think this is an attempt to open the door to public displays of Salah/Salat five times a day, regardless of where and when. Christianity and Judaism (to my knowledge per the latter) doesn't have these kinds of public dictates as Islam does....all the while still banning religioussymbols, which would affect the only public access that Christianity and Judaism have, since again, public acts are not dictated. I'll go a step further and say that the word "dictated" will be very important in the debates to come if this thing catches on and is implemented as standard fare.

It's another step towards domination, and submission to Islam, and it doesn't help that a lot of our fellow citizens are asleep at the wheel...

35 posted on 07/18/2010 11:15:08 PM PDT by csense
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To: upchuck

Meaning that religion will be confined to the worship service, but freedom of conscience in other areas, such as distributing contraceptives or participating in abortions, will not be protected by the First Amendment.

0bama’s administration is getting guidance ftom Kagan on this.


36 posted on 07/18/2010 11:51:02 PM PDT by happygrl (Continuing to predict that 0bama will resign)
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To: savagesusie

Conservatives almost always lose the language war. We had a good run with turning ‘liberal’ into a bad word for about 10 years, but that’s faded bigtime now.

We lost entirely with:

Amnesty = Immigration Reform
Global Warming = Climate Change
Socialized Medicine = Health Care Reform

And those are just recent ones off the top of my head that are very severe.


37 posted on 07/19/2010 12:08:05 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: csense

That’s absolutely it. This is all about protecting rituals which is the most important in islam vs morality based society.

I’m an agnostic and it’s plain as day.


38 posted on 07/19/2010 12:09:37 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
As Catholics, this is an area where we must remain vigilant. These small changes can be used to change our perception of rights and freedoms.

Catholic Ping
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39 posted on 07/19/2010 3:46:02 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: csense

Astute forward thinking insight. I just hope its wrong, but if he gets corrupt individuals like Kagan on the court it does not look good at all.


40 posted on 07/19/2010 4:30:30 AM PDT by valkyry1
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