i gettin real tired of this sh!t...
Posted on 07/13/2010 3:47:06 AM PDT by marktwain
Edited on 07/13/2010 4:51:40 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
LAS VEGAS -- Las Vegas Metro police on Monday identified the three officers who shot and killed an armed man outside a Costco store in Summerlin.
They are Officer William Mosher, 38, a five-year veteran of the department, Officer Joshua Stark, 28, who has been with the department since September 2008, and Officer Thomas Mendiola, 23, who joined the department in March 2009.
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““But mommy, all the other kids were doing it too” never passed the smell test when I was growing up.”
Works for cops, should work for the rest of us.
“I imagine that people rescued from hostage situations by S.W.A.T. would feel differently.”
Suicidal people who were killed by SWAT probably don’t feel differently.
A cold blooded assasination, plain and simple.
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What about innocent people killed by the SWAT?
First of all, in a store, don't start opening up merchandise and sticking it in a bag. That makes all sorts of things go through clerks head, most of them saying you are a shoplifter. Granted, a bit dim of a shoplifter. If you haven't bought the item, taking it apart or stuffing things into it is frowned on by most store owners.
Second, when you care concealed, don't flash the gun. Most people will freak out if they see someone with a gun a Costco or Walmart. Concealed means concealed. Carrying in a way that someone is likely to notice is a great way to meet cops, who will be inclined to treat you as an active shooter. Which means in this day and age they will kill you. Cops in general respond to armed non cops the same way they do to armed gang bangers. In other words, they do not view you as a citizen, but as a threat. There are only two sides for most cops, and if you are not a cop yourself you do not want anything to do with them in a professional manner.
Third, if you are a clerk, and a guy is obviously armed but says he is a CCW permit holder, you probably don't need to call the cops. Very few crimes are committed by licensed CCW permit holders. If you do call the cops, mention that the guy said he is a permit holder. Might just save his life.
And last and most important, if you have two rookie cops trying to apprehend a man, make sure you don't let them do the talking. The contradictory commands cost this man his life. More than likely the first shot was by a rookie, who had no conscience decision to fire. Stress can cause muscle contractions, and if you don't train for it, accidental discharge of a gun. Like the 7 year old kid killed in Detroit. Most cops don't get that training, even SWAT team members.
“His death seems premeditated, although there is no evidence of it, their conduct indicates it.”
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Agree! - This was an assasination.
There are no innocent people civilians.
The majority of depts will use a college degree as a factor during the hiring process.
Far from it - particularly in small municipal departments. For state troopers maybe, and definitely for the feds. But small town police departments pull their recruits right out of high school and it's not uncommon to see 21 or 22 year old rookies in their ranks. Now a college degree can be a hiring enhancement. But if anything, a bigger enhancement is being eligible for affirmative action.
They have to graduate from the academy before they end up on the street with a badge and a gun.
Yeah. And police academies these days are little more than training seminars on how to play the court system in a way that racks up arrests and tickets. It's not exactly intellectually demanding or confidence inspiring work, as is also evidenced by the proliferation of burger flipper types on patrol who have obviously passed through a police academy somewhere.
Good luck to the rookies and all but they are who I would blame for exactly what you say. Two rookies and one veteran cop who shot and killed someone five years ago. Undoubtedly he was run through the mill for that incident even if justified. This would make him the most reluctant one to start the shooting. Also one of the policemen was shrimpy and was yelling at the larger Scott. He might have unloaded due to feeling intimidated by the larger man
“First of all, in a store, don’t start opening up merchandise and sticking it in a bag. That makes all sorts of things go through clerks head, most of them saying you are a shoplifter”
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Nonsense! - Costco even sells the bags to put the stuff into; that’s what they are for.
“True, but I still do not like another civilian referring to me as a civilian. For most of my life I was a soldier, do you think the police correctly referred to me as civilian at that time? It seems kind of hokey.”
There, their and they’re. To, too and two. I apply different meanings to words. When I was in the army, the word “civilian” mean’t anyone not in the service.....and Navy personnel, but that is another story, lol.
When I was a cop, the word mean’t (to me) anyone that was not a cop OR a member of the military.
Now I am involved in an oranization that includes both as members and we all tend to look at it as “everyone else is civilians.”
I think it just boils down to your point of view and how tight your crack is. Mine has been tighter in the past than it is today, maybe I’m getting softer in my old age or maybe I am just seeing the “civilians” issue from two different angles.
I live in a very rural area. None of the County deputies have anything less then an Associates, other then those hired prior to 1996 when the current Sheriff was elected and this includes his correctional staff. Same goes for the city, the majority of them hold Bachelor degrees, with 2 or 3 only holding an Associates. All of them have a degree of some sort. You are right, it is not uncommon for a 21-22 year old to be on the streets, a friend of mine got hired right out of the academy (most depts expect you to put yourself through the academy around here) which happened to be right after earning a BAS in psychology. He was 22. Maybe the area I am from is an anomele as it’s fairly rural and all, I don’t know? Oh and you’re absolutely correct on the affirmative action thing...
For instance, the Union Institute is regionally accredited by The Higher Learning Commission
Yeah. As in the same agency that accredits the University of Phoenix, Argosy, DeVry, Kaplan and all those other crappy degree mills that advertise on the radio and sell worthless pieces of paper from "internet classes" to people who can't make it at a real college...kinda like all the cops who go to those same places.
He wasn't using one of those cloth bags.
Not that is something to get shot over, but opening unpurchased merchandise will not make friends with the store management.
i gettin real tired of this sh!t...
““But mommy, all the other kids were doing it too” never passed the smell test when I was growing up.”
Works for cops, should work for the rest of us.
Really? Site five specific examples.
“Second, when you care concealed, don’t flash the gun.”
No sign he did. If he was carrying in a fanny pack - as it seems folks say he was - then the clerk who saw him may have asked to see inside if she was concerned about possible shoplifting. The options are to refuse and be stopped for suspected shoplifting, or comply and thus ‘flash’ the concealed weapon inside. Or you then tell the clerk you are carrying concealed, and now she knows anyways.
In a hot climate, it is very difficult to perfectly conceal a weapon at all time. Go to a forum that discusses concealed carry, and ask if anyone has ever accidentally revealed a weapon. I think most will tell you that if you carry long enough, you WILL ‘print’ sometime.
What else would they refer to you as?
"The Public" would work.
What else would they refer to you as?
"The Public" would work.
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