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To: marktwain
Sounds like bad choices all around.

First of all, in a store, don't start opening up merchandise and sticking it in a bag. That makes all sorts of things go through clerks head, most of them saying you are a shoplifter. Granted, a bit dim of a shoplifter. If you haven't bought the item, taking it apart or stuffing things into it is frowned on by most store owners.

Second, when you care concealed, don't flash the gun. Most people will freak out if they see someone with a gun a Costco or Walmart. Concealed means concealed. Carrying in a way that someone is likely to notice is a great way to meet cops, who will be inclined to treat you as an active shooter. Which means in this day and age they will kill you. Cops in general respond to armed non cops the same way they do to armed gang bangers. In other words, they do not view you as a citizen, but as a threat. There are only two sides for most cops, and if you are not a cop yourself you do not want anything to do with them in a professional manner.

Third, if you are a clerk, and a guy is obviously armed but says he is a CCW permit holder, you probably don't need to call the cops. Very few crimes are committed by licensed CCW permit holders. If you do call the cops, mention that the guy said he is a permit holder. Might just save his life.

And last and most important, if you have two rookie cops trying to apprehend a man, make sure you don't let them do the talking. The contradictory commands cost this man his life. More than likely the first shot was by a rookie, who had no conscience decision to fire. Stress can cause muscle contractions, and if you don't train for it, accidental discharge of a gun. Like the 7 year old kid killed in Detroit. Most cops don't get that training, even SWAT team members.

405 posted on 07/13/2010 3:19:57 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
And last and most important, if you have two rookie cops trying to apprehend a man, make sure you don't let them do the talking. The contradictory commands cost this man his life. More than likely the first shot was by a rookie, who had no conscience decision to fire. Stress can cause muscle contractions, and if you don't train for it, accidental discharge of a gun. Like the 7 year old kid killed in Detroit. Most cops don't get that training, even SWAT team members.

Good luck to the rookies and all but they are who I would blame for exactly what you say. Two rookies and one veteran cop who shot and killed someone five years ago. Undoubtedly he was run through the mill for that incident even if justified.  This would make him the most reluctant one to start the shooting. Also one of the policemen was shrimpy and was yelling at the larger Scott. He might have unloaded due to feeling intimidated by the larger man

410 posted on 07/13/2010 3:28:04 PM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: redgolum

“First of all, in a store, don’t start opening up merchandise and sticking it in a bag. That makes all sorts of things go through clerks head, most of them saying you are a shoplifter”

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Nonsense! - Costco even sells the bags to put the stuff into; that’s what they are for.


411 posted on 07/13/2010 3:29:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: redgolum

“Second, when you care concealed, don’t flash the gun.”

No sign he did. If he was carrying in a fanny pack - as it seems folks say he was - then the clerk who saw him may have asked to see inside if she was concerned about possible shoplifting. The options are to refuse and be stopped for suspected shoplifting, or comply and thus ‘flash’ the concealed weapon inside. Or you then tell the clerk you are carrying concealed, and now she knows anyways.

In a hot climate, it is very difficult to perfectly conceal a weapon at all time. Go to a forum that discusses concealed carry, and ask if anyone has ever accidentally revealed a weapon. I think most will tell you that if you carry long enough, you WILL ‘print’ sometime.


418 posted on 07/13/2010 3:38:45 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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