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To: conimbricenses

Another eye witness acct from your link:

My wife and I were 7 or 8 feet away from the shooting as were the police. We were to the suspects immediate right. We heard and saw the 3 police officers shouting to the man in question to ‘get on your knees’ several times. At that point the man appeared somewhat stunned by the commotion and shouting of the police. His Right arm went up in a defenseless position and it appeared his left arm appeared to be going up but there was NO gun in his hand. He was taserd and shot at the same time. At no time did the man in question ever raise his voice, shout an obscenity or become confrontational with the police. We saw the disabled man stooping to his right facing us with what appeared to be a bullet wound in his upper chest with blood coming from the wound and immediately his eyes became glossy as he began to convulse. At this point he was no threat to anyone, both hands were in full view of us and there was no gun. As he was down, the police continued to shout ‘put the gun down’ several times...but there was no gun in his hand as we had full vantage point view. The injured man was having agonal respirations, he was down when the second volly of bullets rang out. There was no doubt in question that following the second barrage of bullets the man was dead. His girlfriend was to the back side of us and began to scream.....why did you kill him, he is a military man with a license to carry a concealed weapon. You didn’t need to kill him....you didn’t need to kill him.

An officer then came up to the injured man who in my opinion was a ‘dead’ man’, was cuffed with his hands behind his back and no attempt by the officer to determine if the man was alive or dead. No apparent life saving aid was given to the ‘downed’ man. The man was totally lifeless when the Paramedics arrived on scene. I was absolutely surprised to see that no attempt at aggressive ACLS was engaged. They simply just picked up the body like a ‘sack of potatoes’ and hurled him onto the gurney and into the ambulance This was a crime scene.... the crime scene was violated. One of the paramedics who attended to an injured elderly lady said the man was dead. There was a dead man in front of Costco. What nobody is talking about is that there were many many spectators, many like ourselves within just a few feet of the victim when the shots rang out. It seems to me that the greater danger was posed not by the victim but by the police who fired many shots in the vicinity of the innocent public. I agree with you, I hope the media and your friends family can get their hands of Costco’s Camera’s which will indeed tell the rest of the story. Also it must be confirmed whether the second gun supposedly found by the victims side was indeed also registered to him as a licensed conceal and carry.

This whole incident was a monumental tragedy; a tragedy for the family and friend and also a tragedy for the involved officers who were pushed into a needless confrontation that reached hysterical proportions due to the overreaction of certain employees and bystanders. This was a needless death.

In summary it is our opinion that the victim did not pose an immediate threat to the public.....and in the final analysis was a case of excessive force


84 posted on 07/12/2010 2:19:18 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: panthermom

Let me guess - all of the cops’ badge numbers are “000000” and they are not identifiable on video tape.

As a matter of fact, it’s probably illegal for any tapes of any agents of law enforcement to be released to the public.

Every officer that fired needs to spend some time in a penitentiary for murder.


90 posted on 07/12/2010 2:25:42 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: panthermom

I read this eye-witness account and I see this happened in Vegas.

I can only imagine one thing: This was a contract hit.


94 posted on 07/12/2010 2:30:09 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: panthermom
We saw the disabled man stooping to his right facing us with what appeared to be a bullet wound in his upper chest with blood coming from the wound and immediately his eyes became glossy as he began to convulse. At this point he was no threat to anyone, both hands were in full view of us and there was no gun. As he was down, the police continued to shout ‘put the gun down’ several times...but there was no gun in his hand as we had full vantage point view. The injured man was having agonal respirations, he was down when the second volly of bullets rang out. There was no doubt in question that following the second barrage of bullets the man was dead.

Failed to respect their authoritay while dying. That'll show him.

Also it must be confirmed whether the second gun supposedly found by the victims side was indeed also registered to him as a licensed conceal and carry.

Ahhh, the "plant" gun. It will probably come back as unregistered and the cops will receive a commendation for getting another illegal gun off the mean streets. A job well done.

110 posted on 07/12/2010 2:51:06 PM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: panthermom

What you are describing does not sound as though it were a response by LEOs, but was a poorly executed black ops assassination.


252 posted on 07/12/2010 8:04:14 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: panthermom
Also it must be confirmed whether the second gun supposedly found by the victims side was indeed also registered to him as a licensed conceal and carry.

That would be one of the officer's throw guns.

Just another random, isolated example of the 99% giving the 1% a bad name.
256 posted on 07/12/2010 8:43:59 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: panthermom
Also it must be confirmed whether the second gun supposedly found by the victims side was indeed also registered to him as a licensed conceal and carry.

I never heard of having to identify the guns you carry. Here in Pennsylvania you can get a carry permit without even owning any guns. Or, you can own 1,000 miscellaneous guns bought anonymously at gun shows and carry whichever one (or more) you want. Makes no difference - - a carry permit is a carry permit.

259 posted on 07/12/2010 9:37:02 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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