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Slaying of Army veteran shocks friends (Man gunned down at Costco over Concealed Carry)
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 6/12/2010 | Lawrence Mower

Posted on 07/12/2010 1:26:25 PM PDT by conimbricenses

The man shot by police outside a Summerlin Costco store on Saturday was a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point with a master's degree from Duke University, friends said.

Army veteran Erik Scott, 39, was at the store near Charleston Boulevard and the Las Vegas Beltway with his girlfriend before three officers fatally shot him in a confrontation.

(Excerpt) Read more at lvrj.com ...


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KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; ccl; concealedcarry; costco; donutwatch; erikscott; jbt; lping; murder; nevada; rapeofliberty
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To: takenoprisoner; All

Or simply OPEN CARRY. No secret to anyone what you are doing.


241 posted on 07/12/2010 7:06:49 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Anti-Gunners suffer from Factose Intolerance)
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To: Magnum44; All
We need fewer cops on taxpayer dole and more citizens carrying. Crime rate would be down and fewer wrongful shootings would occur.

Bingo! Could not agree more!
242 posted on 07/12/2010 7:08:50 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Anti-Gunners suffer from Factose Intolerance)
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To: Finny

>>Cops are men and women just like you and me...<<

Physically, yes. However, as you point out at the end of the sentence, “..but they’ve got weird jobs.”

Our occupation affects how we see the world and other people, and how we see our role in the world. It is one of the downsides of being a cop.


243 posted on 07/12/2010 7:27:38 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: takenoprisoner
None of what you say would've saved him if one cop was shouting "drop the gun, motherf___r" and the other was shouting "get your f___ing hands in the air." If he ignores one, the other shoots.

Based on the witness reports, it's very possible that different cops gave him different directions and all were apparently ready to shoot if he ignored them.

244 posted on 07/12/2010 7:31:12 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Face it. You didn’t know it was a typo till LV Ron pointed it out to you.

Feel free to apologize for your remarks to me from post # 181.


245 posted on 07/12/2010 7:39:11 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Finny
The truth is: a city cop, a street cop, a road cop, puts his life on the line and is at risk of being shot, nice guy or schmuck.

That's not exactly as true as it may seem. Job fatality stats indicate that it is significantly more dangerous to be a logger, farmer, rancher, pilot, fisherman, or even a garbageman. As far as getting shot goes, it's much more likely to happen to a convenience store clerk than a cop. In a typical year it is also generally the case that self-inflicted and traffic fatality cop deaths exceed those who die in the line of fire.

I don't note this to diminish the sacrifice of those who die at the hands of a bad guy, but the portrayal of cops as if they are inherently some sort of self-sacrificing altruistic class of heroes who live with the sword of Damocles constantly upon their heads is pure mythology. It's also a rather insidious mythology as it breeds a mentality that places officer safety above all else - even to the point that they are willing to (and frequently do) kill another human being to avoid even the most obscure, minor, and far-fetched perceived "threats" to their own person.

246 posted on 07/12/2010 7:40:31 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: conimbricenses

We may never know what happened...but one lesson is that if a person is going to carry concealed, the weapon should be completely concealed.

When I took my Nevada permit course, the instructors emphasized several times that a person is looking for trouble if he goes to WalMart and reaches for something on the top shelf and someone sees a weapon. Instructors, (ex cops, detective, SWAT guys) all said, “don’t be surprised if there are a bunch of cops with drawn weapons waiting for you when you walk out the store if someone sees your ‘concealed’ weapon”.

Very sad.


247 posted on 07/12/2010 7:45:35 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse ("It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged." - G.K. Chesterton, 1921)
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To: DoughtyOne

In both CCW classes I took, Arizona, Nevada, and a very good advanced combat handgun course, the instructors emphasized what to do if confronted by LEO when you are carrying. We may never know what really happened, but if a cop tells you to get on the ground, that’s what the heck you better do...especially if packing.

Very sad that such a fine young man should have to die this way.


248 posted on 07/12/2010 7:49:26 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse ("It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged." - G.K. Chesterton, 1921)
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To: Cuttnhorse

Sound advice, although Nevada is also an open carry state. We could discuss the minor mistakes of the way this guy concealed forever, but the real issue remains that the cops and/or store clerk screwed up big time.


249 posted on 07/12/2010 7:49:35 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: Cuttnhorse

bttt


250 posted on 07/12/2010 7:49:53 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: conimbricenses

Agreed...
Whenever I’m packing concealed in the general population I can promise that NO ONE can tell that I am armed. I always worry that some nut job is going to start screaming, “he’s got a gun!” Idiots.


251 posted on 07/12/2010 7:54:04 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse ("It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged." - G.K. Chesterton, 1921)
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To: panthermom

What you are describing does not sound as though it were a response by LEOs, but was a poorly executed black ops assassination.


252 posted on 07/12/2010 8:04:14 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
From another article about the alleged 'suspect':

Scott is said to have been a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, had a Master's degree from Duke University, and worked for a medical devices company.



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253 posted on 07/12/2010 8:08:19 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Cvengr

That’s exactly what it sounds like to me, although the Black Ops guys generlly take out their target in a deserted area.


254 posted on 07/12/2010 8:09:24 PM PDT by Palladin (David Petraeus: "I don't use terms like victory or defeat.")
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To: takenoprisoner

i’m not sure weapons are not allowed in Costco.

I have seen at least one person in Costco with a handgun quite visible in a holster. None were store employees although the store employees seemed to know one of them.

I asked a store employee if they allowed ‘open carry’ in the store and they replied that the man was a policeman. He was definitely not in uniform.


255 posted on 07/12/2010 8:10:14 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: panthermom
Also it must be confirmed whether the second gun supposedly found by the victims side was indeed also registered to him as a licensed conceal and carry.

That would be one of the officer's throw guns.

Just another random, isolated example of the 99% giving the 1% a bad name.
256 posted on 07/12/2010 8:43:59 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Cuttnhorse

You’re starting to see guns with real power which would be easy to totally conceal these days.


257 posted on 07/12/2010 9:21:34 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

Sort of...what I find difficult is concealing during the hot summer months. I don’t like the “fanny packs”, which on old geezers like me say, “hey everyone, I have a gun in here”. What I prefer is the smaller “pocket” guns in .380...Sig makes a good one as do Glock and a bunch of other companies. While I prefer my 1911 and my Sig in .40S&W, I can’t find a way to really hide them in the summer to MY satisfaction.

Inside the waist band, with shirt not tucked in is about the best, but again...that reach movement in BestBuy could get a person kilt.


258 posted on 07/12/2010 9:31:44 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse ("It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged." - G.K. Chesterton, 1921)
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To: panthermom
Also it must be confirmed whether the second gun supposedly found by the victims side was indeed also registered to him as a licensed conceal and carry.

I never heard of having to identify the guns you carry. Here in Pennsylvania you can get a carry permit without even owning any guns. Or, you can own 1,000 miscellaneous guns bought anonymously at gun shows and carry whichever one (or more) you want. Makes no difference - - a carry permit is a carry permit.

259 posted on 07/12/2010 9:37:02 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: PhiloBedo; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
I would love to hear the 9-1-1 call from this idiot employee. Video cams better support his/her accusations otherwise he/she and Costco will pay a real heavy price for this overreaction.

I wonder how the police knew to pull out Mr. Scott from the crowds of people leaving the store?

260 posted on 07/12/2010 10:38:17 PM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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