Glenn Beck starts online 'university'

politico ^ | 7/6/10 | Andy Barr

[who knows what evil?]

...soooooooo; which of the three professors teaching at ‘Beck University’ will be preaching Mormonism to the unwashed masses? Can’t seem to find anything in their bios to give me a clue...

[restornu]

First show me where I ever said I hated mormons.

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Such phony bs svcw, you want to say I don’t hate mormons lower case m no you hate mormonism.

like the old saying some of my best friends are Jews!

Get honest svcw...

[who knows what evil?]

If we spent all our time praying for all the people caught up in ‘cults’ in this country; we would never have time for anything.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Count me in too. I pray for mormons I know regularly, witness to them about the real Biblical Jesus Christ, who was not a created spirit being, neither created nor made, but eternally God... and His glorious Gospel of Grace, apart from works. I have also given money to help a mormon friend who was injured. I pray for their deliverance from the false religion of mormonism.

ampu

[restornu]

Starting with Samual Wakefield who strong convection enable our Republic.

[Elsie]

I don’t fight with those whose minds are in the “gut”ter.

I thought you said you were LEAVING!

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(I do agree with you though that MORMONism is a gutter religion.)

[svcw]

Resty, I use the lower “m” case same reason you use the low case “j” when you refer to Jesus.

[Elsie]

Oh for heaven sakes, just look at the comments on this thread.

I thought you were LEAVING!!!

[Elsie]

Outta here. The fight has grown stale, and the fighters boringly repetitive.

Fight?

It looks more like WHINE to most folks...

[Elsie]

I suspect I’m talking to one.

Why?

You told EVERYONE in this thread you were LEAVING!

I guess a MORMON is not to be taken at their word...

[restornu]

I would never intentionaly use lower case j on Jesus

but many of you anti LDS have used lower case j when talking about the LDS faith

Sadly none you have no clue how ugly this kind of vitriolic behavior.

Than the days those of you have pushed one to many of the LDS buttons and got the LDS to respond in kind many of you feel justified for provoking such action when the Lord would like people to get along with one another!

[Jmouse007]

I would have serious problems recommending anyone attend Glenn Beck's online "university" if W. Cleon Skousen is going to be teaching "religion".

I examined your link regarding: "A summary of What We Might Expect in the Next Twenty-Five Years By W. Cleon Skousen" and it is very disconcerting.

Having taught Revelation on the graduate and undergraduate level on numerous occasions, all I can say is W. Cleon Skousen and the Mormon "prophets" (Joseph Smith, etc...) supposed interpretation of Revelation is nothing short of false and ridiculous!

c Just one glaring example of false interpretation is Sokousen's exposition of Revelation 12;1:

"A great sign appeared in heaven: a WOMAN clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and on her head a crown of TWELVE STARS; and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth." (Revelation 1:1, emphasis mine)

According to Sokousen, official Mormon teaching believes the following regarding Revelation 12:1

"chapter 12. This chapter provides the background for the fall of Lucifer and his hosts after the war in heaven. John says it was there that the righteous fought against Satan “by their word and their testimony” trying to persuade the confused and uncommitted spirits to support Christ’s gospel plan. In the end, two-thirds rallied behind Jehovah but one-third supported Satan and were cast out into the mortal earth. (verses 7—11)

John depicts the SAINTS OF GOD (i.e., Mormons) as being like “a WOMAN clothed with the SUN.” (verse 1) John looks back through the centuries and realizes that because of Satan’s persecution of God’s kingdom there would be “a time and times and half a time” (verse 14) when the woman would have to flee into hiding. This would be off and on throughout the 3,500 years incorporated in the dispensation of Joseph, Moses and the apostles. John saw that not until 1,830 A.D. would the WOMAN OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST (i.e., the so-called "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints"; the Mormon "church") then John says:

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (God’s servants in the latter days] which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (verse 17)" (Emphasis mine)

The "Woman" of Revelation 12:1 is NOT Mormon "saints of God" or the supposed "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", she in point of fact represents the nation of ISRAEL, who gave Christ to the world (cf. Rev. 12:5, Emphasis mine: "And she gave birth to a SON, a MALE CHILD, WHO IS TO RULE ALL THE NATIONS WITH A ROD OF IRON [a clear reference to the Lord Jesus Christ: cf. Rev. 2:27, 19:15]; and her child was CAUGHT UP TO GOD AND TO HIS THRONE."[cf. Matt. 22:44, 26:64; Acts 5:31, 7:55-56; Heb. 1:3, 10:12, 12:2]).

This same nation of Israel, as represented by the Woman of Revelation 12:1 will be relentlessly persecuted during the Tribulation: (cf. Rev 12:13: "And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he PERSECUTED the woman who gave birth to the male child.").

That the symbol of the Woman mentioned in Revelation 12:1 is none other than the nation of Israel and not the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (or anything/anyone else) is clear from the DESCRIPTION of the woman found in Revelation 12:1: " a WOMAN clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and on her head a crown of TWELVE STARS "

The woman of Revelation 12:1 symbolizes the nation of Israel. That this is indeed the case is clearly indicated by Genesis 37:9-11 where the exact same descriptions are used and where the SUN and the MOON referred to Jacob and Rachel, Joseph’s parents. The STARS in the woman’s crown are clearly associated with the 12 sons of Jacob and identify the woman of Revelation 12:1 as ISRAEL:

"9Now he (Joseph) had still another dream, and related it to his brothers, and said, “Lo, I have had still another dream; and behold, THE SUN and THE MOON and ELEVEN STARS (Joseph himself being the TWELFTH STAR) were bowing down to me.” 10He related it to his father and to his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have had? Shall I and YOUR MOTHER and YOUR BROTHERS actually come to bow ourselves down BEFORE YOU to the ground?” 11His brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the saying in mind." (Genesis 37:9-11, Emphasis mine)

The sun (Jacob), the moon (Rachel) and the twelve stars (their 12 sons) represented the entirety of the nation of Israel at the time Genesis 37: 9-11 was written. The identity of the Woman in Revelation 12:1 is clarified by the detailed description given of her in this passage and coincides with the description found of the nation of Israel in Genesis 37:9-11.

Therefore, the Woman described in Revelation 12:1 is ISRAEL, not Mormon "saints of God" or the supposed "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints".

W. Cleon Skousen should not be allowed to teach anything remotely having to do with Christianity or "religion" because Mr. Skousen, like Glenn Beck have been totally deceived by the pseudo-"christian" cult of Mormonism and as a result of their dedication to this cult, have zero spiritual discernment or spiritual insight.

While I have nothing but the utmost respect for Glenn Beck's patriotism and his love for America the man is lost and spiritually deceived.

[svcw]

Oh, cry me a flipping river.
lds jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible, as per your own leaders.
What is happening here is that the rank and file lds are being exposed by the words of their own leaders to the inner teachings of lds thought/workings and it stings thier hearts.

[greyfoxx39]

Skousen died January 9, 2006. The reason I posted that summary was because Beck seems to idolize Skousen.

He regularly displays his in-depth knowledge of American history, and while he challenges his listeners to "Question with Boldness," many, myself included, wonder if he really did that when it comes to the dubious historical past of Mormonism.

Beck doesn't hide the fact that one of the people who has made a major impact on his political worldview is W. Cleon Skousen, a Mormon political thinker and author of The 5,000 Year Leap, a book Beck says "changed his life." First published in 1981, Beck wrote the foreword to a new edition that instantly became a top seller on Amazon.com.

-SNIP-

Skousen’s politics aside, it was his theology that was especially troubling. His book The First 2,000 Years, published in 1953, included a section on God that can only be described as blasphemous.

Under the subtitle “The Source of God’s Power,” he wrote, “Through modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain Him as such…His glory and power is something which He slowly acquired until today, ‘all things bow in humble reverence.’ But since God ‘acquired’ the honor and sustaining influence of ‘all things’ it follows as a corellary (sic) that if He should do anything to violate the confidence or ‘sense of justice’ of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the ‘power’ of God would disintegrate. This is what Mormon and Alma meant when they specifically stated that if God should change or act contrary to truth and justice ‘He would cease to be God.’ Our Heavenly Father can do only those things which the intelligences under Him are voluntarily willing to support Him in accomplishing” (pp.355-356).

So, this is the god of Skousen and Beck...and now, Glenn is going to teach religion?

W. Cleon Skousen - The Man Behind Glenn Beck

[reaganaut]

I am both ‘self taught’ and classically taught. One is not better than the other. Both have their advantages and drawbacks. I am better read than most American, sadly, because I (and MrR) have spent our lives reading and researching on our own. However, WHAT you read and what you accept as true makes a difference. i would not want someone who reads (and accepts) Zin’s “A Peoples History of the United States” teaching American History any more than I would want someone who reads (and accepts) a fraud like the Book of Mormon (Beck) teaching Religion or the history of American Indians. Not all books are ‘great’.

And I don’t believe Glen Beck never sleeps because he is reading and considering his Mormonism, I would question his ‘expertise’ in American History, especially if he reads a lot of books writte from an LDS viewpoint (Like Skousen). You are assuming that because Beck claims to be a conservative, that his views are not biased and there is no proof of that. In fact, there IS proof of the contrary.

FWIW, some of the best professors I had were ones I disagreed with completely, because I was FORCED into checking sources, reading outside the course requirements and debating them. THOSE are the classes I learned the most in and the ones that challenged me most.

Unlike some people, I do not take what I am told at ‘face value’. That was how I got into Mormonism. Rather I verify EVERYTHING and trust no one even if that means having to ‘undo’ an authors work (which BTW, I was known for in Grad school) by checking every single footnote and source.

[Elsie]

We need teachers that are not brainwashed.

Then you need a NON-mormon!

(I thought you were leaving?)

[greyfoxx39]

the Lord would like people to get along with one another!

Sing Kumbaya resty, and then read the replies to my post.

Especially the one from JR.

[Ripliancum]

This thread is choice. I love all the yelling fire in the theater, and there is no smoke.

The normal Mormon bashers that have taken over this thread must be besides themselves that David Barton, a traditional Christian, whom has been named as "one of America's 25 most influential evangelicals" has agreed to be affiliated with Beck's online university. Oh the horror!!!!

They must be getting really nervous about Beck. The problem is, not everyone joins them in their paranoia.

The 3 profs are listed in the article.

David Barton, founder and president of WallBuilders, a Christian organization
David Buckner, president of Bottom Line Training and Consulting Inc., a consulting and training firm
James Stoner, professor of political science at Louisiana State University

Here is Barton's bio:

David Barton is the Founder and President of WallBuilders, a national pro-family organization that presents America's forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on our moral, religious and constitutional heritage.

WallBuilders is a name taken from the Old Testament writings of Nehemiah, who led a grassroots movement to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem and restore its strength and honor. In the same way, WallBuilders seeks to energize the grassroots today to become involved in strengthening their communities, states, and nation.

David is the author of numerous best-selling books, with the subjects being drawn largely from his massive library of tens of thousands of original writings from the Founding Era. He also addresses well over 400 groups each year.

His exhaustive research has rendered him an expert in historical and constitutional issues and he serves as a consultant to state and federal legislators, has participated in several cases at the Supreme Court, was involved in the development of the History/Social Studies standards for states such as Texas and California, and has helped produce history textbooks now used in schools across the nation.

A national news organization has described him as “America's historian,” and Time Magazine called him “a hero to millions - including some powerful politicians. In fact, Time Magazine named him as one of America's 25 most influential evangelicals.

David has received numerous national and international awards, including Who's Who in Education, DAR’s Medal of Honor, and the George Washington Honor Medal from the Freedoms Foundation at Valley Forge. His work in media has merited several Angel Awards, Telly Awards, and the Dove Foundation Seal of Approval.

David and his wife Cheryl have three grown children, Damaris, Timothy, and Stephen, and reside in Aledo, TX.

[Elsie]

Get honest svcw...

Glad you brought this up!!

Honestly; just WHAT was UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism that JS claimed to learn?

Surely, someone CLAIMING to be an EX-presbyterian would know!

[Elsie]

Sadly none you have no clue how ugly this kind of vitriolic behavior.

I just HATE when vitrol is flung about!

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_mass.htm