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To: greyfoxx39
I would have serious problems recommending anyone attend Glenn Beck's online "university" if W. Cleon Skousen is going to be teaching "religion".

I examined your link regarding: "A summary of What We Might Expect in the Next Twenty-Five Years By W. Cleon Skousen" and it is very disconcerting.

Having taught Revelation on the graduate and undergraduate level on numerous occasions, all I can say is W. Cleon Skousen and the Mormon "prophets" (Joseph Smith, etc...) supposed interpretation of Revelation is nothing short of false and ridiculous!

c Just one glaring example of false interpretation is Sokousen's exposition of Revelation 12;1:

"A great sign appeared in heaven: a WOMAN clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and on her head a crown of TWELVE STARS; and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth." (Revelation 1:1, emphasis mine)

According to Sokousen, official Mormon teaching believes the following regarding Revelation 12:1

"chapter 12. This chapter provides the background for the fall of Lucifer and his hosts after the war in heaven. John says it was there that the righteous fought against Satan “by their word and their testimony” trying to persuade the confused and uncommitted spirits to support Christ’s gospel plan. In the end, two-thirds rallied behind Jehovah but one-third supported Satan and were cast out into the mortal earth. (verses 7—11)

John depicts the SAINTS OF GOD (i.e., Mormons) as being like “a WOMAN clothed with the SUN.” (verse 1) John looks back through the centuries and realizes that because of Satan’s persecution of God’s kingdom there would be “a time and times and half a time” (verse 14) when the woman would have to flee into hiding. This would be off and on throughout the 3,500 years incorporated in the dispensation of Joseph, Moses and the apostles. John saw that not until 1,830 A.D. would the WOMAN OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST (i.e., the so-called "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints"; the Mormon "church") then John says:

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (God’s servants in the latter days] which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (verse 17)" (Emphasis mine)

The "Woman" of Revelation 12:1 is NOT Mormon "saints of God" or the supposed "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", she in point of fact represents the nation of ISRAEL, who gave Christ to the world (cf. Rev. 12:5, Emphasis mine: "And she gave birth to a SON, a MALE CHILD, WHO IS TO RULE ALL THE NATIONS WITH A ROD OF IRON [a clear reference to the Lord Jesus Christ: cf. Rev. 2:27, 19:15]; and her child was CAUGHT UP TO GOD AND TO HIS THRONE."[cf. Matt. 22:44, 26:64; Acts 5:31, 7:55-56; Heb. 1:3, 10:12, 12:2]).

This same nation of Israel, as represented by the Woman of Revelation 12:1 will be relentlessly persecuted during the Tribulation: (cf. Rev 12:13: "And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he PERSECUTED the woman who gave birth to the male child.").

That the symbol of the Woman mentioned in Revelation 12:1 is none other than the nation of Israel and not the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (or anything/anyone else) is clear from the DESCRIPTION of the woman found in Revelation 12:1: " a WOMAN clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and on her head a crown of TWELVE STARS "

The woman of Revelation 12:1 symbolizes the nation of Israel. That this is indeed the case is clearly indicated by Genesis 37:9-11 where the exact same descriptions are used and where the SUN and the MOON referred to Jacob and Rachel, Joseph’s parents. The STARS in the woman’s crown are clearly associated with the 12 sons of Jacob and identify the woman of Revelation 12:1 as ISRAEL:

"9Now he (Joseph) had still another dream, and related it to his brothers, and said, “Lo, I have had still another dream; and behold, THE SUN and THE MOON and ELEVEN STARS (Joseph himself being the TWELFTH STAR) were bowing down to me.” 10He related it to his father and to his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have had? Shall I and YOUR MOTHER and YOUR BROTHERS actually come to bow ourselves down BEFORE YOU to the ground?” 11His brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the saying in mind." (Genesis 37:9-11, Emphasis mine)

The sun (Jacob), the moon (Rachel) and the twelve stars (their 12 sons) represented the entirety of the nation of Israel at the time Genesis 37: 9-11 was written. The identity of the Woman in Revelation 12:1 is clarified by the detailed description given of her in this passage and coincides with the description found of the nation of Israel in Genesis 37:9-11.

Therefore, the Woman described in Revelation 12:1 is ISRAEL, not Mormon "saints of God" or the supposed "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints".

W. Cleon Skousen should not be allowed to teach anything remotely having to do with Christianity or "religion" because Mr. Skousen, like Glenn Beck have been totally deceived by the pseudo-"christian" cult of Mormonism and as a result of their dedication to this cult, have zero spiritual discernment or spiritual insight.

While I have nothing but the utmost respect for Glenn Beck's patriotism and his love for America the man is lost and spiritually deceived.

92 posted on 07/06/2010 2:01:28 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Heavenly Father, deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Jmouse007; colorcountry
Skousen died January 9, 2006. The reason I posted that summary was because Beck seems to idolize Skousen.

He regularly displays his in-depth knowledge of American history, and while he challenges his listeners to "Question with Boldness," many, myself included, wonder if he really did that when it comes to the dubious historical past of Mormonism.

Beck doesn't hide the fact that one of the people who has made a major impact on his political worldview is W. Cleon Skousen, a Mormon political thinker and author of The 5,000 Year Leap, a book Beck says "changed his life." First published in 1981, Beck wrote the foreword to a new edition that instantly became a top seller on Amazon.com.

-SNIP-

Skousen’s politics aside, it was his theology that was especially troubling. His book The First 2,000 Years, published in 1953, included a section on God that can only be described as blasphemous.

Under the subtitle “The Source of God’s Power,” he wrote, “Through modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain Him as such…His glory and power is something which He slowly acquired until today, ‘all things bow in humble reverence.’ But since God ‘acquired’ the honor and sustaining influence of ‘all things’ it follows as a corellary (sic) that if He should do anything to violate the confidence or ‘sense of justice’ of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the ‘power’ of God would disintegrate. This is what Mormon and Alma meant when they specifically stated that if God should change or act contrary to truth and justice ‘He would cease to be God.’ Our Heavenly Father can do only those things which the intelligences under Him are voluntarily willing to support Him in accomplishing” (pp.355-356).

So, this is the god of Skousen and Beck...and now, Glenn is going to teach religion?

W. Cleon Skousen - The Man Behind Glenn Beck

94 posted on 07/06/2010 2:21:33 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (If voters follow the democrat method of 2004 Obama will be named the worst president in history.)
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