Court: Christian group can't bar gays, get funding (Christian Legal Society v. Martinez)

AP ^ | 06/28/2010 | Staff

[OldDeckHand]

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court says a law school can legally deny recognition to a Christian student group that won't let gays join.

The court on Monday turned away an appeal from the Christian Legal Society, which sued to get funding and recognition from the University of California's Hastings College of the Law.

[Grunthor]

I believe that you just described a hate crime/s

[icwhatudo]

Time for all the college white kids to apply for membership in their local black student union.

[little jeremiah]

Any homosexuals that would want to join would be doing so to disrupt. Obviously.

[Grunthor]

“Any homosexuals that would want to join would be doing so to disrupt. Obviously.”

There is at least one homosexual (To my knowledge)that attends my church. She is not disruptive but is not allowed in any leadership role however neither is she condemned. She is prayed over and prayed for regularly and accepts all the prayer with grace.

I like to think that if there were any adulterers in my church that they would be treated similarly.

[logician2u]

Simple answer for those who are upset at this decision: Start a movement to eliminate those "student activity" fees that most public colleges collect and [mis]manage through the auspices of so-called student government.

That would put a well-deserved end to radical student organizations that only survive by the generosity of generally apolitical students who think activity fees will all be used for their benefit. e.g., to sponsor concerts and such. Little do they know . . .

Number One on my list of organizations that need to be purged from all student funding: PIRGs.

Hey, that even rhymes: PURGE the PIRGS.

[Scythian]

Maybe we Christians should start joining gay groups and interject the bible every other sentence?

[Mrs. Don-o]

I believe tsomer is speaking of "Student Activity Fees" which are ordinarily mandatory, and which ar paid out to chartered (recognized) student groups.

I don't know if you can "opt out" of Student Activity Fees, whether or not you participate in one of those chartered student group.

Anybody know?

[muawiyah]

It might seem the popular thing in that school to defund groups who discriminate against the GLBT crowd, but what about the situation where the Republicans do overwhelm the Democrat club, and the Graduate Student Field Hockey Team manages to justify 90% of the funds for itself simply because it can ~ if it can get sufficient membership.

My experience with similar funds years and years ago is that there's a student governing board that makes recommendations to the "faculty advisor" who authorizes disbursement. Since this was a very corruptible situation the campus dormitory systems had managed to exempt themselves from the situation years before ~ with, it turns out, special legislation provided by the state legislature.

There's no reason the State of California could not now EXEMPT students from any obligation to participate in the "the student activities fund" through payments of fees for that purpose ~ provided they don't belong/participate to/with any of the groups receiving funding.

In fact, there's probably already a law on the books somewhere just waiting to be found that in fact exempts non-participants from the obligation to pay the designated fees.

[little jeremiah]

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Pinging both lists to a SCOTUS decision today. If atheist and/or homosexuals, Muslims, etc can join a Christian group that "receives funding" because it uses a university classroom to meet, than any group will have to accept members who are in opposition to the club or group's beliefs and mission statements.

IMO a very bad ruling, but a natural result of the war against God and morality. Another expample of why fedgov spending needs to be cut at least 50%, with most agencies, bureaus, and departments not just trimmed but chipper shredded and put on the compost pile.

PS - note The Reader David's comment, too.

[OldDeckHand]

"I believe tsomer is speaking of "Student Activity Fees" which are ordinarily mandatory, and which ar paid out to chartered (recognized) student groups."

OK, now I understand tsomer's point. That makes sense.

As for opting out, it probably depends entirely on the university. I have three in college now, and I looked at their latest registrations. They are described in varying ways - student fees, student union dues, etc - but they all seem pretty mandatory.

[logician2u]

Why would you want to do that?

If you truly believe in freedom of association, unrestrained by arbitrary rules dictated by college administrators in their futile attempts to interpret bad law, you would, I'm sure, prefer to exclude those who might disrupt an organization's reason for being.

If a Christian group wanted to exclude Muslims, for example, don't you think they should have that right?

Independence from mandatory student fees should be the goal, not trying to turn a group in a different direction.

[little jeremiah]

If someone is a sinner (the one who isn’t, raise your hand!!) but sincere and wants to change - well, that is exactly who religion is for!

But it goes without saying that any homosexuals (okay, maybe 99%) in a university, who would want to join a Christian group, would be doing so to cause disruption and promote the “gay” agenda.

[muawiyah]

The way these systems work they ALWAYS target someone. No way any student interaction with faculty and administration involvement in any school any time in history could turn out to be completely even handed.

One of the reasons "Animal House" was so entertaining to so many is that it demonstrated the absolute and total corruption of traditional university governance systems.

[Scythian]

Well, of course I agree with that, but you and I know the only ones who are going to end up with no protection under the law are Christians, but so be it, we knew it was coming.

[Grunthor]

But it goes without saying that any homosexuals (okay, maybe 99%) in a university, who would want to join a Christian group, would be doing so to cause disruption and promote the “gay” agenda.

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I cannot argue with that at all, so I won’t.

[FewsOrange]

There is a Hastings Jewish Law Students Association

http://www.uchastings.edu/student-services/student-orgs/HJLSA.html

Article I. Name of Organization
The name of the organization shall be the Hastings Jewish Law Students Association(hereinafter “HJLSA”).

Article II. Purpose
In compliance with the Policies and Regulations Applying to College Activities,Organizations and Students, HJLSA will promote activities related to Judaism on campus; provide a forum for Jewish students to meet and network; and represent the interests of Jewish students to Hastings’ administration.

Article III. Mernbership
HJLSA is open to all full-time students of Hastings College of the Law. HJLSA shall require no dues or fees to be paid for membership

[FewsOrange]

And there is a Law Students’ Christian Fellowship

http://www.uchastings.edu/student-services/student-orgs/christian-fellowship.html

[1010RD]

Bad sign for the Boy Scouts.

[caww]

Exactly....and you can bet the Islamic groups will easily find private funding.

[arrogantsob]

Rather than reflexively post falsehoods you need to think through what you are posting. This was a case involving SPECIFIC circumstances. The ruling has NO impact on your right of free association merely free associations bellying up to public funding.

You don’t really believe homos should be denied access to groups funded with THEIR tax/tuition money do you?

You can freely associate with the most anti-homo group around as long as you don’t take public funds.