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Severe overcrowding is routine at L.A. County-USC Medical Center
Los Angeles Times / latimes.com ^ | June 26, 2010 | By Rong-Gong Lin II, Los Angeles Times

Posted on 06/26/2010 10:39:11 AM PDT by thecodont

Even before the doors opened on the $1.02-billion Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center many observers warned that the new hospital was too small. Now, more than a year and a half of experience appears to confirm it.

The overcrowding has become so intense that health officials asked county Supervisor Gloria Molina eight months ago what she would think if the hospital began placing patients in the hallways, the supervisor recalled in an interview.

"I said, 'Absolutely not. We will not have patients in the hallway,' " Molina said.

Instead, County- USC officials have increased patient transfers to other hospitals. Despite more than 2,000 such transfers since the November 2008 move into a building with 224 fewer beds, chronic, severe overcrowding is routine at the county's flagship public hospital. Few long-term options to relieve the burden are available.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; calhospitals; hospitals; illegalimmigration; lacounty; publichealth
From the article:

Tony Bell, a spokesman for Antonovich, declined to comment on Molina's assertion that County-USC was built too small.

"As far as we're concerned … overcrowding is a problem faced by all of our county public hospitals," Bell said. "The department's focus should be on improving efficiency and patient flow."

Bell also attributed the overcrowding problems to "a large illegal immigrant population" that uses the emergency room as a primary care facility.

1 posted on 06/26/2010 10:39:18 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

But of course they won’t give up sanctuary city status.

These large facilities were built too small for one reason. They want to discourage people from using the services there.

Create big enough lines, cause enough delays, put people out enough, and they won’t go there on a dare.

Welcome to the health care model of your future folks.

Now the county has to pay community hospitals to provide care for these dead-beats. What’s more, they won’t pay enough to make serving these dead-beats a break even deal either.

John and Jill taxpayer, you’ve been had once again.


2 posted on 06/26/2010 10:47:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (06/15/2010 Obama's Shame-Wow address...)
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To: thecodont

They should charge a $5 cover at the door and allow no illegal immigrants in.


3 posted on 06/26/2010 10:48:04 AM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: thecodont

According to the California Healthcare Association CHA, 70 acute care hospitals closed in California between 1993 and 2003.

http://projects.latimes.com/hospitals/emergency-rooms/no/closed/list/


4 posted on 06/26/2010 10:50:55 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: thecodont

So California openly welcomes illegals and then whines when people take up the “freebies?”


5 posted on 06/26/2010 10:55:54 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: thecodont

If the Border Patrol ran a bus every day from the hospital to the border I’d bet you’d have more room.


6 posted on 06/26/2010 10:58:21 AM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: thecodont

Unless California and the Feds make some drastic changes in immigration enforcement, or lack thereof, then LA might as well start building a couple more county hospitals.


7 posted on 06/26/2010 12:03:20 PM PDT by Will88
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..
Bell also attributed the overcrowding problems to "a large illegal immigrant population" that uses the emergency room as a primary care facility.

No kidding? Wonder why that wasn't higher up in the story?

8 posted on 06/26/2010 12:19:19 PM PDT by HiJinx ("Looks like we're a'gonna have to read to 'em from the Good Book, Pa.")
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To: thecodont
Bell also attributed the overcrowding problems to "a large illegal immigrant population" that uses the emergency room as a primary care facility.

Ya think?

9 posted on 06/26/2010 12:19:50 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("California just got the best politicians money can buy." -- AuntB)
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To: thecodont; All
This is what we nurses call a "multi-faceted issue." I apologize ahead of time for the lengthy response, but there is a lot to this problem, and none of the aspects are new at all.

As an ER nurse I can offer insight on this problem from firsthand personal experience. Here are a some hard truths:

1) Overcrowding is only a symptom of the larger disease, which is inappropriate use of the Emergency Department. Obviously, illegal immigrants using ERs as their primary healthcare provider are obviously a much bigger problem in in CA, NM, TX and AZ than in WA. So it varies wherever you go. But statistically (at least in my neck of the woods), roughly 80 percent of the people who misuse the ER are Americans who have good health insurance. Americans on government entitlement programs and Americans who think that they won't have to wait to be seen if they take little Johnny to the ER for his stuffy nose are also to blame.

2) Any hospital administration worth its salt would design and build for future capacity based on projected population growth over the next ten to twenty years. In addition, you have to "build in" the ability for the ER to accomodate sudden surges in patient numbers due to mass casualty incidents (bus accidents, fires, explosions, etc.) and natural disasters- especially if the hospital is in an area prone to natural disasters.

3) You have to staff the hospital in a way that can accomodate the rising number of patients. You can't hire more nurses if they don't exist. There aren't enough nursing instructors to train the people who want to become nurses. Tens of thousands of applicants are turned away from nursing schools every year. And due to the recession, hospitals are a little skittish about hiring new nurses right now. That will probably reset itself soon once the hospitals come to their sense (and the patients demand it), because the need for nurses will continue to grow.

4) From an ER perspective, "improving efficiency and patient flow" must start with improving what we call "throughput." Usually, the reason departments are overcrowded is because they are full of patients who are simply waiting for disposition to units upstairs, transfer to other hospitals, or who are on "Psych hold." As hard as we try, we cannot make the receiving units or receiving hospitals accept the patients if there are no beds to put them in or nurses to take care of them- or if receiving doctors don't want to assume responsibility for their care. This is the biggest problem regarding ER overcrowding. Unfortunately, that problem won't change for quite a long time.

Anyway, there's my $0.02 for you.

10 posted on 06/26/2010 12:25:25 PM PDT by 60Gunner (But there's this one particular harbor...)
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To: HiJinx

Just ask .........Dr. Rogers! HE LIVED IT!!

Fabulous Video!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IDbdf5DxIE


11 posted on 06/26/2010 12:28:02 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: 60Gunner

Your #4 is a big problem down here on the border, too. The ER simply cannot move patients from the ED to MedSurg in a timely manner because the beds aren’t there.


12 posted on 06/26/2010 12:46:02 PM PDT by HiJinx ("Looks like we're a'gonna have to read to 'em from the Good Book, Pa.")
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To: 60Gunner

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!

In our city, they made the ridiculous projection that they would need fewer beds, not more, when planning on merging the two main hospitals in town. Yeah, I said that right, fewer not more. Then they built the second biggest ER in the state. Unfortunately, it’s not attached to the second biggest hospital. It was a recipe for major bottleneck. Now with the recession, there is no way they can increase beds.

I have a co-worker who works in a walk-in clinic that is slated to close soon. People come in who have medi-cal, but have never chosen their primary care doctor. So when they need refills, they go to the ER or walk-in clinics. They don’t know what medicines they take, names or doses or what.
It is total cluelessness on the part of people.


13 posted on 06/26/2010 4:40:13 PM PDT by gracie1 (visualize whirled peas)
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To: thecodont
From 2005...

ILLEGAL ALIENS AND EMTALA

14 posted on 06/26/2010 4:49:08 PM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29. Over 250 roll call votes missed and counting...)
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