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Netherlands: Egyptian-born tram conductor forbidden to wear crucifix but Islamic headscarf OK
Jihad Watch ^ | June 18, 2010

Posted on 06/19/2010 2:59:57 PM PDT by NYer

Ezzaz Aziz.jpg
Ezzaz Aziz and his offensive necklace


"The Netherlands is a democratic country. I think it's nonsense that you can express one religion but not another. I feel a fire burning inside me because I don't live in a democratic country, but in a third world country." That's what it has come to.

"Conductor banned from wearing crucifix necklace," by Thijs Papôt for Radio Netherlands, June 16 (thanks to C. Cantoni):

An Amsterdam appeal court has ruled that the Amsterdam public transport service is within its rights to ban its conductors from visibly wearing a necklace bearing a crucifix.

The verdict backs an earlier ruling at the end of last year. Egyptian-born tram conductor Ezzaz Aziz appealed against the decision after the transport service suspended him for refusing to take off or conceal his necklace during working hours.

Mr Aziz objected to the fact that he was forbidden to wear his religious symbol, while Muslim women were allowed to wear headscarves. Mr Aziz claimed he was a victim of discrimination because headscarves are also an expression of religious belief.

"The judge didn't consider the equal treatment of two religions within one company - only whether the company rules applied. But that wasn't my intention. In the company we have two religions, and one religion is allowed to do what it likes and the other isn't allowed to do anything. That's why I appealed against the ruling."

Dress code

The court ruled that the public transport service wasn't guilty of discrimination because the rule wasn't against wearing religious symbols, but simply against visibly wearing necklaces. For security reasons the service's dress code bans employees from wearing any necklace outside the uniform.

The dress code allows the wearing of headscarves, as long as they bear the company logo. And the transport service points out that if Mr Aziz wants to express his religious belief, he's welcome to wear a ring or an earring with a crucifix.

Nevertheless, Mr Aziz says he's disappointed in Dutch justice. As a member of the Coptic Church, in Egypt he was barely able to express his religion. He expected things to be different in the Netherlands.

"The Netherlands is a democratic country. I think it's nonsense that you can express one religion but not another. I feel a fire burning inside me because I don't live in a democratic country, but in a third world country."...



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: christian; coptic; crucifix; egypt; ezzazaziz; muslim; netherlands; religiousfreedom

1 posted on 06/19/2010 2:59:57 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
And the transport service points out that if Mr Aziz wants to express his religious belief, he's welcome to wear a ring or an earring with a crucifix.

Yeah ... an earring ... he looks like the type of person who would do just that. (/sarc)

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2 posted on 06/19/2010 3:01:20 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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Thank goodness that would never happen here.


3 posted on 06/19/2010 3:03:16 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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4 posted on 06/19/2010 3:04:47 PM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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The company has a rule against wearing necklaces. No matter what the symbol. I don’t consider this an anti Christian ruling, based on the info in the article.

It said he is welcome to wear a christian symbol on a ring or earring. Headscarves are allowed as long as they have the company symbol.


5 posted on 06/19/2010 3:08:37 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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Worldwide political correctness continues to get worse and worse, everyday. Will it ever stop?


6 posted on 06/19/2010 3:14:58 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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Looks like the Netherlands is doing a great job of assimilating into their new Muslim society.


7 posted on 06/19/2010 3:19:53 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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It said he is welcome to wear a christian symbol on a ring or earring.

And how is that different from around his necK?

8 posted on 06/19/2010 3:20:07 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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My guess? Because it’s not as visible.


9 posted on 06/19/2010 3:22:17 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Wonder what the company logo looks like?


10 posted on 06/19/2010 4:00:19 PM PDT by bigheadfred (I said free association. Not freely associate.)
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He’s not likely to wear an earring and wearing a ring as a symbol is not typical among Christians, particularly among ME Catholics or Orthodox (I assume he’s a Copt). In fact, I doubt that even Dutch Christians normally wear a cross earring or a ring. This type of religious jewelry is something you see pretty much only among a certain segment of American Protestants, so I’d say he’s not likely to have a cross earring or ring in his sock drawer.

In other words, this law was made to prevent the wearing of Christian symbols, and the law needs to be challenged. I doubt that Jews are forbidden from wearing a yarmulke (although with the heavy Muslim population, apparently many of them have stopped wearing them) and obviously Muslims are not stopped from making their women shroud themselves like ghouls, so there’s only one group that suffers from this.


11 posted on 06/19/2010 4:13:00 PM PDT by livius
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Christians are inferior to Muslims... Dhimmitude has arrived in Europe and the Dutch are voluntarily embracing it. Sorry excuses for humanity if you ask me.


12 posted on 06/19/2010 4:16:18 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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Re: “And how is that different from around his necK?”

My best guess at this time is that it’s not about the symbol on the necklace, it’s the fact that the necklace is a dangling item that might get caught in a door / machinery / a passenger’s coat (remember, we are talking about a potentially crowded tram) / whatever. The other options — ring, earring, and even headscarf — don’t dangle, and perhaps are less likely to get caught on something.

Yeah, I’m not completely satisfied with that explanation either. But it does make at least a little bit of sense.


13 posted on 06/19/2010 5:00:39 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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Many professions do not allow necklaces. I was in nursing a while, we were never allowed to wear necklaces or long earrings for safety. My husband was a printer for a while, he never wore a ring.


14 posted on 06/19/2010 5:02:04 PM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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Wow, no double standard here. /sarc

Yeah ... an earring ... he looks like the type of person who would do just that. (/sarc)

That's probably why they pointed out earring or ring to him. So maybe he ought to just surprise them with one of each at his next shift!

15 posted on 06/21/2010 8:10:23 AM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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Yeah ... an earring ... he looks like the type of person who would do just that. (/sarc)

You are probably right. But, in lieu of piercings, maybe he could look very carefully at the dress code and find a loophole. Perhaps there is nothing in it about a lapel pin or the like. He could get a nice gold crucifix pin and wear it on his jacket, tie or collar. I can't imagine any "security" risk in that and it would be as prominent as a pendant.

16 posted on 06/21/2010 10:14:42 PM PDT by cothrige
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