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The role that McCain played in suppressing information about what happened to American soldiers missing in action in Vietnam
1 posted on 06/05/2010 6:47:59 AM PDT by all the best
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I don’t buy it.


2 posted on 06/05/2010 6:49:13 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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MIA 13-December-1968

DONAHUE, MORGAN JEFFERSON
Name: Morgan Jefferson Donahue
Rank/Branch: Major/US Air Force

Unit: 606th Special Operations Squadron,
56th Special Operations Wing
Nakhon Phanom, Thailand
Date of Birth: 02 May 1944
Home of Record: Alexandria, VA
Date of Loss: 13 December 1968
Country of Loss: Laos

Loss Coordinates: 170100N 1055900E (XD055824) Click coordinates to view (4) maps

Status in 1973: Missing In Action

Category: 2

Aircraft/Vehicle/Ground: C123K "Provider"

Other Personnel in Incident: Thomas M. Turner (rescued); Douglas V. Dailey; John S. Albright; Joseph P. Fanning; Samuel F. Walker, Jr.; and Fred L. Clarke (all missing);

RKS: MID AIR COL-1 PARA OBS

SYNOPSIS: Though it had been declared obsolete in 1956, the Fairchild C123 Provider, which was a converted WWII glider, became one of the mainstays of tactical airlift in the Vietnam War. In 1962 the Provider was fitted with special equipment to spray defoliants. Later, it was modified with a pair of J-85 jet engines which increased its payload carrying capability by nearly one third. The first of these modified C123s arrived at Tan Son Nhut on 25 April 1967, and this venerable old aircraft proved to be among the hardest working aircraft throughout Southeast Asia. The C123K differed from other C123 models in that it had the addition of auxiliary turbojet engines mounted in underwing pods. While this addition did little to increase the speed of the "Provider", it added greater power for quicker climbing on takeoff, and power for maintaining altitude.

On 13 December 1968, 1st Lt. Thomas M. Turner, pilot; 1st Lt. Joseph P. Fanning, co-pilot; 1st Lt. John S. Albright, II, navigator; then 1st Lt. Morgan J. Donahue, navigator; SSgt. Douglas V. Dailey, flight engineer; TSgt. Fred L. Clarke, loadmaster and SSgt. Samuel F. Walker, Jr., loadmaster; comprised the crew of a C123K aircraft, call sign "Candlestick 44." Their night Forward Air Control (FAC) mission was to guide several B57B bombers onto a convoy of enemy trucks traveling along Routes 911 and 912. These routes were cut through the rugged jungle covered mountains approximately 2 miles north of the demilitarized zone (DMZ), 14 miles northwest of Ban Namm, 18 miles southwest of Ban Loboy, 35 miles northwest of Muang Xepon and 26 miles southwest of the Lao/North Vietnamese border, Savannakhet Province, Laos. Additional data places the loss approximately 47 kilometers northwest of Xepon, 3 kilometers east of Ban Kok Nak and Route 411, and 1 kilometer southeast of Ban Pa Dong.

This area of eastern Laos was considered a major artery of the infamous Ho Chi Minh Trail. When North Vietnam began to increase its military strength in South Vietnam, NVA and Viet Cong troops again intruded on neutral Laos for sanctuary, as the Viet Minh had done during the war with the French some years before. This border road was used by the Communists to transport weapons, supplies and troops from North Vietnam into South Vietnam, and was frequently no more than a path cut through the jungle covered mountains. US forces used all assets available to them to stop this flow of men and supplies from moving south into the war zone.

Flying at an altitude of no more than 2000-3000 feet, the Provider crew's mission was to spot enemy truck convoys traveling along the trail, then to drop flares to illuminate the area for the accompanying bombers to attack. As the navigator responsible for monitoring the infrared detection device, Morgan Donahue laid on his stomach in the underbelly of the Provider to observe the situation through an open hatch. Weather conditions at the time were clear with a half moon, ground fog, no wind and no cloud ceiling. At 0300 hours, as the crew of the C123K guided a B57B, call sign "Yellowbird 72," onto an enemy convoy, the FAC was jolted by a blow to the top of their aircraft in the aft section by the overhead bomber as it approached the target. Major Thomas W. Dugan, pilot; and Major Francis J. McGouldrick, co-pilot; comprised the crew of Yellowbird 72. 1st Lt. Turner, stunned by a blow to the head and lost consciousness as his aircraft lost power. Because of its glider configuration, the C123K did not fall straight to the ground, but drifted lazily in a slow flat spin that lasted several minutes.

During his post-rescue debriefing, Thomas Turner reported: "Yellowbird 72 made either one or two passes over the target and received no ground fire while Candlestick 44 maintained position in our quadrant at altitude. While the bomber conducted its strikes, I began a run to our left in order to stay in our own quadrant, yet be able to scope to clear the previous strike (to observe the bomber's attack pass and its pull off of the target). Just as we rolled out straight and level, I looked out the window and saw the strike area. The next moment there was an explosion and the aircraft was out of control. I was knocked unconscious for several moments. When I came to, I turned in my seat and could see the co-pilot's seat was empty and fire was coming into the cockpit from the fuselage area. I turned to the left and opened the window, then unbuckled by seatbelt. I looked out at the wing tip and could see the wing tip and that the left engine was still running. The next minute I was out and clear of the aircraft. I pulled the "D" ring when clear to deploy my parachute. On my descent I saw another parachute below me and 2 or 3 fires on the ground. At that time I was unaware of the other aircraft's fall, and didn't know if it was one of the fires on the ground or not." 1st Lt. Turner went on to say: "I landed safely in a treetop where I remained until search and rescue (SAR) personnel rescued me at dawn. I did not hear any of the other crewmen come up on the radio, and I understand that the only beeper the SAR aircraft heard was mine."

Members of other aircrews provided additional information about this loss incident. One witness stated he saw a steady stream of enemy anti-aircraft artillery fire aimed in the direction of the aircraft just before the large explosion caused by the collision. Several other witnesses reported there was a large explosion that broke the aircraft into three parts shortly after the initial explosion.

After plucking Thomas Turner out of the tree, aerial SAR personnel continued to search for the other crewman in the rugged jungle covered mountains. Because this area was under total enemy control, no ground search was possible. At 0900 hours on 15 December, the formal SAR effort was terminated when no trace of the remaining crew could be found. At that time John Albright, Morgan Donahue, Douglas Dailey, Joseph Fanning Fred Clarke and Samuel Walker were listed Missing in Action. Likewise, no trace of the B57B crew was found and they were also declared Missing in Action at the same time.

Over the years numerous reports filtered through the intelligence community regarding the crew of the Provider including National Security Agency (NSA) intercepted enemy radio communications correlated to at least 3 of the missing men. In 1974 a Laotian refugee who escaped reported having observed an American prisoner thought to have been a member of this aircrew who had been moved to the caves near Tchepone where he was held during the 1968 to 1970 timeframe. This American was later transferred to another location unknown to the refugee. Another intelligence report received shortly after the loss incident indicated that Morgan Donahue suffered a broken leg in the mishap and was believed to have been taken to a communist holding area near Tchepone after capture. Several reports referring to "Moe-gan" or "Mr. Moe-gan" have been received by military intelligence since the end of the war. Frequently this prisoner is referred to as "the animal doctor" because he is being used as a veterinarian to treat sick and injured animals. These reports have come directly from refugees to the Donahue family as well as through US government agencies.

From 1981 to 1984, the Special Forces Detachment, Korea (SFDK) was charged by President Reagan with the responsibility of collecting live POW information throughout Southeast Asia. SFDK was commanded by Major Mark Smith, himself a returned POW from the Vietnam War. Through his efforts, and those of team Intelligence Sergeant Mel McIntire, an agent net of 50 agents was established, specifically in Laos. This intelligence net resulted in Major Smith compiling a list of some 26 American POWs by name and captivity location with Morgan Donahue being one of them. In April 1984, Major Smith received a message from one of his agents specifying that on 11 May three US Prisoners of War would be brought to a given location on the Lao/Thai border. The only prerequisite was that an American be on the Thailand side of the border to receive the men. When this information was reported up his chain of command, Major Smith's team was ordered not to leave Korea, to destroy all documents pertaining to LIVE POWs and they were sent back to the United States 6 months early. According to Major Smith and SFC McIntire, they believe Morgan Donahue was one of those three Prisoners who could have been returned on 11 May 1984. This documented information was provided to the United States Senate Veterans Affairs Committee in sworn testimony on 28 January 1986.

In June 1987 and again in August of that year, the Donahue family was given intelligence reports tracking their youngest son's movements from a POW camp in Kham Kuet, Khammouane Province, Laos in the spring of 1987, then to another camp in the Boualapha District of the same province that August. These reports were only a few weeks old at the time the USG obtained them, yet intelligence personnel marked them "routine" and made no effort to act upon the information. One of these reports stated that the POW had been a crewman aboard a C123K aircraft and gave its serial number. When government analysts finally evaluated the report, they discovered that the aircraft number was actually the missing navigator's father's home zip code instead of the aircraft's number. The Donahue family believes this is clearly a message from Morgan Donahue.

The crew of the C123K are among the nearly 600 Americans who disappeared in Laos. Like this aircrew, many of these men were known to be alive on the ground. The Laotians admitted holding "tens of tens" of American Prisoners of War, but these men were never negotiated for either by direct negotiations between our countries or through the Paris Peace Accords which ended the Vietnam War since the Laotians were not a party to that agreement.

Since the end of the Vietnam War well over 21,000 reports of American prisoners, missing and otherwise unaccounted for have been received by our government. Many of these reports document LIVE American POWs remaining captive throughout Southeast Asia TODAY.

Aircrews in Vietnam and Laos were called upon to fly in many dangerous circumstances, and they were prepared to be wounded, killed or captured. It probably never occurred to them that they could be abandoned by the country they so proudly served.
Morgan J. Donahue graduated from the United States Air Force Academy in 1967.


4 posted on 06/05/2010 6:51:17 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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We are ruled by a political establishment that pulls string behind the scenes and which does not care about us or our country. They are out for themselves. We are serfs and have been for a long time. McCain and Obama are very different — but it is foolish to think that they have nothing in common. Digging into their pasts and their motivations is not expected of us. We ought to know our places.


7 posted on 06/05/2010 6:58:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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Perhaps this is why John McCain was so strangely silent about Obama’s vulnerability on the eligibility issue. Especially in light of McCain being forced to produce his birth certificate that showed that he was not in fact born in the Canal Zone as had always been assumed and was stated erroneously in the sense of the senate bill declaring him to be natural born. Why did McCain not INSIST that Obama provide proof of his constitutional eligibility at that time too?


13 posted on 06/05/2010 7:13:28 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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Encouraging to finally see something on this appearing—I have posted on this topic for years on my own Gunny G sites/blogs, and elsewhere—again, for years!!!!!


14 posted on 06/05/2010 7:18:25 AM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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“Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War turned their heads and walked in other directions.”

Many realized McCain was the choice of the liberals when no mention was made during 2008 of his role during, and subsequent to, the Vietnam war.
In fact, the liberals/leftists most likely regard McCain as a reliable political ally.

Eric, one does not need to believe the various accounts involving McCain during that war in order to “buy it” - one can simply examine politician McCain’s actions v POW families during the following years.


20 posted on 06/05/2010 7:36:35 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Wake up America! The Socialists are winning the long war against you and your Constitution!)
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They need to start an ad of some old rancher turning his old worn out horse out to pasture for the last time, after the long speech about all the faithful service and spending the rest of his time roaming free and munching grass, the old mans says goodbye john.
22 posted on 06/05/2010 7:37:00 AM PDT by org.whodat
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I buy it
This has been reported, quietly, for years.In fact McCain refused to meet with families of MIA’s and IIRC supported closing the door on further Gov’t action to look for MIA’s so the USA could start trading with communist VietNam. a policy driven by John kerry and which benefited kerry’s cousin to the tune of a billion.


27 posted on 06/05/2010 7:44:45 AM PDT by RWGinger
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Another hit piece on McCain.


33 posted on 06/05/2010 8:05:48 AM PDT by mom-7
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Bridge for sale. Submit sealed bids.


39 posted on 06/05/2010 8:22:10 AM PDT by verity
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I taped and watched most of the 1993 POW/MIA hearings. McCain did everything he could to suppress any evidence that POW/MIAs might still be alive in Vietnam. A hostile witness to McCain was anyone trying to present evidence that men might still be there. His behavior was as described in the article, hostile and bizarre, suggesting someone with significant psychological problems.


40 posted on 06/05/2010 8:26:34 AM PDT by Will88
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Beyond the question of honor (and I am not trying to minimize that) there is also the question of compromise. Of course this has been pointed out before. To the extent that McCain is dishonorable is the same extent to which he may have been compromised. The two issues are inextricably related but are not exactly the same thing. For example, if McCain were no longer in public life it wouldn’t matter as much as it does now if he has or had been compromised.


44 posted on 06/05/2010 8:31:45 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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There is a significant conspiracy to keep honest patriots out of government. In fact, it seems to only let treasonous traitors in. Kerry got in. Murtha got in. McCain got in.

Somehow I don't believe McCain to be some amazing exception.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

45 posted on 06/05/2010 8:32:34 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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Whatever else McCain may have done, he allowed himself to be used by Soros to concoct the fraud known as McCain-Feingold:

http://joytiz.com/2010/whos-afraid-of-the-big-bad-soros/


61 posted on 06/05/2010 10:25:01 AM PDT by jazminerose
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Can’t begin to go through everything that’s wrong here. This charge was brought and answered 20 years ago. While it’s absolutely vital to military trust to hold Vietnam accountable for every MIA/POW, the reality is that there’s no way, even with the utmost cooperation and motivation of the holding country, to locate living Americans or MIA remains. What the author doesn’t mention, among other facts, is that the return ratio of Americans missing or captured in Southeast Asia was greater than in any other American involvement, despite the fact that SEA’s flora was more likely to hide bodies than nearly any other land theatre where US forces were deployed, the exception being Pacific islands.

But there are far worse exaggerations/untruths in the article. For instance:

“In the transcript, General Quang told the Hanoi politburo that 1,205 U.S. prisoners were being held. Quang said that many of the prisoners would be held back from Washington after the accords as bargaining chips for war reparations. General Quang’s report added: “This is a big number. Officially, until now, we published a list of only 368 prisoners of war. The rest we have not revealed. The government of the USA knows this well, but it does not know the exact number ... and can only make guesses based on its losses. That is why we are keeping the number of prisoners of war secret, in accordance with the politburo’s instructions.” The report then went on to explain in clear and specific language that a large number would be kept back to ensure reparations.”

This statement had to have been made just before the final Kissinger negotiations (Jan. 1973), not, as is implied, after the return of prisoners because some 1600-plus (1643?) Americans were returned in early ‘73. The original “list,” referred to by Quang was released by Olaf Palme, then-PM of Sweden, in 1970 and contained 334 names. By the time Teddy Kennedy obtained “the list” in 1971, it contained somewhat more names (339, I think). These were the names of ONLY those held in North Vietnam by the DRV, and even so, some of the names on the list were already dead (3? just can’t remember). POWs held by the Viet Cong and the Pathet Lao weren’t named until February ‘73 during final negotiations, yet many returned—some 1250-plus of them, who weren’t “kept back.” The author’s deliberate misuse of Gen. Quang’s statement, all by itself, is enough to discredit the other “facts” he puts forth.

The names of POWs who entered the North Vietnam prison-system were memorized and circulated by “memory banks” within the prison system. Any man killed in prison was known, and there were a few. Because the VC had no central holding area, names couldn’t be circulated as accurately. And even tho the VC were answerable to the DRV and part of the Paris negotiations, it would be difficult indeed to hold this organization accountable for anything once the country “unified.”

I know of not a single POW who believes that living troops were left behind. But that doesn’t mean that our foreign policy did or should admit that belief. And it doesn’t mean that credible, timely evidence of living, enslaved Americans in Vietnam wouldn’t be acted on.

Admiral’s son or not, JSM didn’t and doesn’t set POW policy; and as a mid-ranking officer in Vietnam, he was not in any position to conspire with the Nixon or any other administration to hide facts. His superiors in the 4th Allied POW Wing would have outed him immediately. Ted Guy was only one of a huge majority of POWs who found the 90’s Vietnam policy abhorrent and voiced concern that any POLICY never absolve the Vietnamese of the responsibility to return living POWs, to account for or return the remains of MIAs, and to be open to investigations of sightings. And, needless to say, the involvement in the process of a 4-month vet who saw all troops as war-criminals did nothing to moderate their views.


62 posted on 06/05/2010 10:33:19 AM PDT by Mach9
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64 posted on 06/05/2010 11:01:35 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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Thought I’d bump this one in light of the new Tokyo Rose audio of McCain.


69 posted on 08/04/2016 8:23:28 PM PDT by FR_addict (Ryan needs to go!)
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