Posted on 05/31/2010 12:27:57 PM PDT by worst-case scenario
Israel ate s-— on this. What a horrible idea.
on top of this being a terrible idea strategically and diplomatically-— tactically the raid was carried out terribly. You see Israeli commandos coming down the ropes one at a time onto the deck which is loaded with hostiles. If they had done this properly, and attacked with surprise and a large number of soldiers and subdued the hostile crowd immediately with non lethal force, it is possible that no one would have been killed.
They have attacked ships in international waters in the past, so what is your point?
Israel had every right to do what it did, regardless of the “technicalities” of International waters vs Territorial waters.
The INTENT was the same. The flotilla PLANNED this in advance. They were surprised in the darkness of the night by an advanced opponent. The IDF were attacked as they dropped to the deck to inspect the vessel with less than lethal weapons. Look at the videos. Look at all of them. The IDF has documented their actions and the actions of the flotilla for all to see. Now let’s see who lies.
Again, nonsense. Israel had every right to do what they did, and every right to do it where they did. You may believe otherwise, but I doubt you are correct in your assumptions.
You’re thinking in “legalese”, which is always a bad idea when you are engaged in war, and make no mistake, this is a part of the war that Israel is currently fighting.
what gives Israel the right to attack unarmed ships in International waters?
I'm afraid that's exactly what will happen. Hamas and the flotilla organizers made it quite clear what they intended to do - there was intense media coverage - there was immediate provocation and violence. They expected to be boarded, in fact they counted on it.
If the terrorists have their way, Israel will be chastened and reviled, and the next wave of ships won't be searched. Those ships will be packed to the rafters with weapons.
Your screen name is the Turkish game plan.
Turkey wants to use its membership in NATO to create if not a conflagration, then a blockade or other counter-measure to get at Israel. The idea that Israel and Turkey can repair their relations is all but dead.
I sure hope NATO - including our President - don’t fall for it.
They were headed for Gaza. Israel interdicted and asked the captain to drop the goods at Israeli port of Ashdod for inspection and re-transmission to Gaza. The captain said “Negative, Negative... our destination is Gaza”. The captain made his intent to break the blockade clear. He was warned he would be boarded. The ship was boarded and the IDF were ambushed one by one as they rappelled downward.
Israel made several errors but I don’t think that is one of them. FWIW, Wikipedia says Israel claims 12 nautical miles as its territorial water, along with scores and scores of other countries. Not sure where the ship was at the time.
Again, nonsense. Israel had every right to do what they did, and every right to do it where they did. You may believe otherwise, but I doubt you are correct in your assumptions.
You’re thinking in “legalese”, which is always a bad idea when you are engaged in war, and make no mistake, this is a part of the war that Israel is currently fighting.
Your reasoning assumes that Israel is a bully and doesn't know what it's doing, or at the least is acting out of malice and I'm of the opinion your full of crap.
Their hand was forced and that is obviously clear. You say that Israel has not the right to do what they did. I say PROVE IT!
Just give the world a few days. Israel will be “fuc+ed” this is for shure. I´m not saying that i feel glad about this but i really belive that this will happen.
Again i´m not pro Israel nor am i pro palestinian.
I just try to give you the impression of the ordinary people in europe! And if you think that this will have no effect ok fine. But i really believe that Israel has screwed it up BIG time these days. And there will be consequences for Israel because of this. Has nothing to do how i feel in personal. But i do believe that this will happen. Just an observation of what has happened in the last day.
We celebrate Memorial Day.
Daily Kos celebrates Flotilla day.
I'm well aware of the attitudes of “ordinary” Europeans. I expect nothing less than what I am already hearing from the “old world”, especially as Europe is quickly being flooded with anti-semitic “Asians”. Although I only lived in Europe for 3 years over 2 decades ago, it's no surprise to me at all.
Israel admitted it was in Int Waters:
“Israel is a sovereign state and cannot accept the undermining of its sovereignty. Israel has stopped ships in international waters before and when ships refuse to accede to warnings and obey instructions, we have the right to board them under international law.”
Add the fact that they were delivering ‘humanitarian aid’ and you have a PR disaster. You can support Israel and admit that they screwed up, everyone does. Israel’s Gaza blockade isn’t that popular in the world, honey and spices for example are banned http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/28/AR2010052800212_2.html
If the soldiers had no legal right (however that’s decided) to board the ship it follows that the ‘activists’ had the right to defend themselves.
Are there any NATO Convention articles about member nations siding with terrorists and running pirate ships for their aid?
You say that Israel has not the right to do what they did. I say PROVE IT
Israel attacked by NATO member. But then, NATO has been used before to mount muslim attacks.
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