Kansas senator reads apology to American Indians

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[JoeProBono]

With the leaders of five tribes in attendance, Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas read a congressional resolution Wednesday apologizing for "ill-conceived policies" and acts of violence against American Indians by the U.S. government.

[STONEWALLS]

“If it wasn’t for us, they probably would have killed each other off...”

...Yep!...there’s this myth that prior to European contact Indians were living in perfect harmony with nature and each other...fact is they participated in incessant tribal warfare...not to mention cannibalism, torture and mutilation, slavery, human sacrifice, burning at the stake, and euthanasia...if they were around today people like Amnesty International would be having a fit.

[Non-Sequitur]

Must be going after the Kiowa, Osage, and Pawnee vote in the Kansas governors race.

[Eagles6]

Somebody apologizing for me, without my say so, to someone I never wronged, for something I didn't do.

Let's be frank. What happened to the Native Americans sucked. The federal gov't treatment generally was abysmal and duplicitous.

Let's also remember that they also fought, enslaved and slaughtered each other. That's pretty much the way the world was back then, Whites were just better at it and more technologically advanced.

Many tribes allied with Whites because they feared the Iroquois or the Creek or the Navajo and were tired of being raided, murdered and enslaved.

Pretty much every, state, nation and people have been. Am I to stand around and feel aggrieved because I haven't gotten an apology from the Queen for the invasions of Ireland and Scotland?

Yo! 'Lizbeth! Where my reparations?

[Gator113]

Apologize for what?

We weren’t here then. Neither were they... for crying out loud.

I know, how about we simply make a few dozen Congressional Declarations to the various victim groups that simply reads, “It must suck to be you”.

Enough of this generational pity party.

As you may be able to see, I’m not sorry for a damn thing. Brownback was an idiot for doing this.

After 2012, I better see blacks, catholics, union slimes, Indians, American Jews and a few other groups tripping over themselves trying to get to me to be the first to apologize for putting that worthless POS in the White House and for all the generational damage he’s done to our country.

If my post has offended anyone that has ever existed on this planet, I am so very very sorry.

Cry me a river..

[SIDENET]

I am sick to death of the apologies.

I'm sorry.

(runs away laughing)

[Viking2002]

My wife is half Cherokee, and is fully aware of her ancestry and tribal history. Having said that, the only hyphenated-American she is, is Pissed Off-American over all the PC divisiveness and the dwelling upon things that were and never will be changed with belated platitudes and token apologies. If all the hyphenated Africans, hyphenated Latinos, and hyphenated whatevers could drill that into their noggins, maybe this country would be a 'United' States of America. It's otherwise nothing but a 'Gimme! Gimme! Me first!' flophouse of shiftless Victim-Americans, always looking for an open vein to suck the blood from.

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

[mainsail that]

“Somebody apologizing for me, without my say so, to someone I never wronged, for something I didn’t do.”

I mostly agree with the the rest of your argument, but you elected the President, Congress and Senate. With ‘you’ I mean Americans, and the elected officials can do a lot of things in our behalf from starting wars to enslaving our kids to the Chinese via debt. An apology for past wrongdoings is a sign of maturity.

[freespirited]

"It's difficult to issue an apology and sometimes it's difficult to accept one," Smith said by phone from Washington. "Once you put those differences of the past aside, perhaps the next step is, can you do any better in this round? That's where our greatest challenge is. The history of the U.S. (toward American Indians) is not a bright record. The real question is, what happens from this day forward?"

IOW, the apology is just the beginning. Brownback is a fool.

[3boysdad]

[svcw]

,-)

[lacrew]

I hate these apologies...but I hope he will be our next governor.

In 1846, the Indians sold, by treaty, 2 million acres in Kansas for $0.10/acre. I just checked, and Senator Brownback’s property is a quarter mile from the southern boundary of these lands...but his land was not part of this ‘deal’.

[chris_bdba]

I don’t remember histroy ever teaching that we attacked first newbie? Where did you come up with that?

[Bean Counter]

Just a side note....

I’m about halfway through Nathaniel Philbrick’s excellent new book “The Last Stand: Custer, Sitting Bull, and the Battle of the Little Bighorn”. It’s quite a read, includes a lot of maps and references, and I’m taking my time with this one.

Philbrick takes the numerous different written accounts and actual interviews with some of the Warriors who were at the battle, and comes out with a distinctly different view of George Armstrong Custer and Sitting Bull. His premise is that most of us have an impression of Custer that is primarily driven by the Dustin Hoffman movie “Little Big Man” (there really was a Warrior at the battle by that name...) that portrays Custer as demented and totally incompetent, which is anything but true.

Custer was the greatest Cavalry Officer the Union Army ever produced in the Civil War, and was also considered the Country’s greatest Indian fighter; and when news of his death at the Little Big Horn came right at the Centennial, it was the 911 event of that time and rocked the Nation. How was it possible that our greatest Indian fighter was slaughtered with all of his men??

Of course Wounded Knee is widely viewed as retaliation for the massacre at the Little Big Horn...

Good reading, and available at Costco. (I sweat I have bought more good books there over the years than from any other source.)

Now back to our regular broadcast...

[Gator113]

“An apology for past wrongdoings is a sign of maturity.”

Sure, if you shoot out the barn windows with your BB gun. Same thing if you put cow chips under you younger brothers pillow and salamanders in your dads work boots. Heck, that also holds if you dropped a dozen water filled balloons onto the heads of nuns from the second story at school back when you were in the 8th grade.

BUT, we were not here...WE did nothing wrong.

THIS entire conversation is stupid and those of you that are buying into it are fools, damn fools.

[JoeProBono]

[plain talk]

Really? Unincorporated and you decided that it had to be incorporated according to European laws or you could take it.

You? The people that did this are dead! But I make no apologies for what our forefathers did in founding this great country. In history wherever there were people lots of bad things happened and the Indians did their fair share of brutal savagery. And I am 1/64th cherokee

[fr_freak]

An apology for past wrongdoings is a sign of maturity.

An apology from the person(s) who committed the past wrongdoings may be a sign of maturity, but an apology by a person for the supposed wrongdoings of others over a century after the fact, outside of the context of the events, is asinine, and is usually done only out of a desire to ingratiate oneself to a particular interest group. As other have mentioned here, not only were many indian tribes brutal murderers rather than the peaceful earth-worshiping hippies that Hollywood makes them out to be, but there probably isn't a man alive who was involved in killing an indian, nor are there many who would condone such a thing. So why grovel about it now? What purpose does it serve? To save you time, I'll answer that: it serves nothing other than meaningless political expediency, and the need for many (white) self-loathers to wallow in their own feces. It is not a sign of maturity in this case. It is a sign of childishness.

[hinckley buzzard]

Who’s ‘We’

"We" is everybody alive in America today. Who did you think it was? Grow up, Noobie.

Brownback has apparently been stuck on this drivel for years...advance notice that the so-called conservative has really been a mental defective all along.

Guess what's next? "Economic justice" for black peeps at the expense of whites and asians who weren't here then either.

[JoeProBono]

As an aside

Chief Gall Short the Hunkpapa chief who led the Lakota in a long war against the United States.

[Kandy Atz]

Meanwhile, we have nationalized car companies, government run healthcare, an invasion along our southern border, and 10-20% unemployment. What exactly does an American representative, who had absolutely nothing to do with any atrocity, apologizing to an American Indian, who was not around when it happened, help anyone? I ask that with Cherokee blood going through my veins.

Wars are waged, lands are lost, to the victors go the spoils. This apology nonsense accomplishes nothing.

I also trace one side of my family back to Norman invaders of England. Maybe I need to go on tour and apologize to the Saxons, Angles and anyone else who thinks they were inconvenienced. Of course the Anglo-Saxons were invaders themselves and so were the Romans and on and on. Would the “original” owners of England please stand up and be recognized so we can all apologize?