Posted on 05/19/2010 11:22:07 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.
America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:
(Excerpt) Read more at talkingpointsmemo.com ...
How about making your time wasting posts to someone else.
Remember that lots of FReepers have Armageddon fantasies. They like the idea of holing up in their compound and living off the land and occasionally stopping their idyllic life to shoo away some itinerant liberals that come begging for help.
LOL ... yes, that's true...
But, in the interest of "full disclosure" here... I must say that I believe in "Armageddon" too -- but the one I believe in -- is the one that the Bible says is going to happen, and just before the return of Jesus, the Messiah of Israel to this earth to set up His world-wide rule over all nations.
Some FReepers do think that's a "fantasy" unfortunately. I don't, but just doing the "full disclosure" thing here ... :-)
Refusal to take "the easy way" and do things by rule of law, is what separates us from the 3rd world banana republics.
Yes, indeed... many seem to be quick to turn us into a "third world banana republic" all right ... :-) or else they say, we must violate the Constitution in order to save it.
Now, as a previous poster said - if the ballot box is eliminated, then all bets are off.
I think there are some few instances of where that can happen legitimately and voting can be delayed, but not put off indefinitely. One example is what our government is preparing for, and that is a massive attack by WMD, perpetrated either by a nation or a group of terrorists who manage to get a hold of it.
Now..., I'm not talking about what our response would be to those who would do such a thing, but merely saying that it would probably result in martial law for a while and then the suspension of some rights under the Constitution for a time, and might result in the delay of some elections for a while, if we are still in "chaos" from such an attack.
In that case, I wouldn't be "for an armed revolution" against our government if they were responding the best that they could from such an attack from the outside.
Are we talking about an American Pinochet?
Oh, and if the Military is “bound by law” from defying President/Congress, what should happen if, say, Jews were to be legally excluded from the rights of citizens?
That _WAS_ how they did it in Germany. {Though they first started by planting the idea in the medical community about ‘undesirables’ which included the mentally retard; IOW, the first steps are devaluing the human life [think abortion] and then “arbitrary comparative valuation” of human life: ie the Nazi’s Aryan > European > Asian > African > Jew.}
Circular reasoning, isn’t it? that link refers to your post.
It's not circular reasoning when other FReepers are saying what I'm referring to... :-)
LOL, so you are a nut case calling for a military dictatorship to replace free elections in America.
It sure saves time when you just speak plainly and honestly.
I still don’t know why you insist on me being the one to bother with your ravings, can’t you confess, or rage to one of the non military veterans around here?
In the event Obama is not qualified under the Constitution (bear with me, here), who removes him? He cannot be impeached under those circumstances, because he is not president, all other nonsense nonwithstanding. (Note the conditions applied to the previous sentence and do me the basic courtesy of not wuoting that out of context, please.)
I'm not "quoting it out" -- but what you (and some others) miss here -- is that the "very mechanism" that is used for "determining legally" whether that is true (and for a President) -- is -- the Impeachment process.
The Impeachment process is that mechanism by which one legally determines that a person is not legally qualified. That's what the process is for... you see.
In other words, you cannot "legally predetermine" that a person is not legally qualified to be President, by merely "saying so". You have to have that "legal adjudicaton" of that fact, before it becomes "legally binding"...
To say it another way... let's say that you and two others were standing there and you witnessed a guy shoot a person in cold blood. Now, you "know it" because you saw it. However, that person is not legally determined to have committed the crime -- until a jury of his peers "says so" by the legal due process.
Now, in the meantime, you may say, "I know the guy is guilty, because I stood there and watched him shoot that person in cold blood, along with two others with me who saw the exact same thing!"
And so you did... you saw it and you know it. But, the guy is not considered to have committed the crime and have been determined to be legally responsible for it under our judicial system -- until -- that legal determination is made.
So no matter how much you say he is a criminal -- he's not until the system and a jury of his peers says so.
It's the same thing with Obama, and the Impeachment process.
Thats the scary part, there is a limited window of time before elections in which they can manipulate. (crisis)
from, marxist utopia
You say Marxists are running our government, Armageddon’s ready to break out in the Middle East; the economy’s set to collapse; Europe’s ready to implode, and America’s primed to detonate? Is that what’s bothering you, Bunky?
Yeah, well, take a number and get in line.
Like Rip Van Winkle awaked from a hundred-year-doze, patriotic Americans are awakening to the lies we’ve been fed, and the dire straits we are in.
Patriots are questioning not only the veracity of the Lame Stream Media (LSM), our politicians, and religious leaders, but also fundamental “institutions,” such as the Fed, the IMF (International Monetary Fund), the UN, the 14th Amendment, income tax, and government itself. link
There are no sacred cows anymore. Nothing, and no one, is immune from cynical scrutiny these days. Certainly not the POTUS who has spent close to $2 million hiding his past from “we the people.”
There is one situation I can imagine where the military would step in and relieve the President of command that that’s if the United States is attacked in a major way (nuclear, widespread biological, widespread chemical, etc.) and the President refuses to retaliate or defend the country. Other than that, I think that the vast majority of Americans, both inside and outside of the military, will wait for the system to work to remove the Obama from office via election.
>LOL, so you are a nut case calling for a military dictatorship to replace free elections in America.
Umm, you misunderstand; it was a question. Let me restate/rephrase it:
What would you advise if the government were to exclude legally and/or politically a group of people based on some feature such as: religion, prior military service, political-stance, or ‘genetic-heritage’?
{ Legal abridgment of rights is actually rather routine, consider: people being denied 2nd amendment rights for mere allegations of ‘domestic abuse,’ people having their property seized by the police because “it could have been used in a crime”/”it could have been bought with drug-money” (oft before trial), and the recent up-surge in invasive SWAT home-invasions, the USSC’s ruling that the Constitution’s prohibition on Ex Post Facto Law applies only to criminal law... not things like making felons unable to buy arms, even if they served their time, and retroactive tax laws “perfectly legal.”}
>It sure saves time when you just speak plainly and honestly.
There was a misunderstanding in our communications, see above.
>I still don’t know why you insist on me being the one to bother with your ravings, can’t you confess, or rage to one of the non military veterans around here?
What ravings?
Oh, and I _AM_ a veteran... here’s my view/analysis on things concerning the military [or at least the oath]:
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATyjMtQJe7iWZHY2OTh0bV8yNWM3YjM1Y2M5&hl=en
I’m not interested in joining in some long discussion with you, I don’t know what led you to believe that I am interested in what you think.
See post 166.
If you are looking for a chat buddy, then look for someone that wants to chat with you, I’m not that guy.
Certainly, there are no absolutes. For instance, didn't NYC delay its mayoral race (4 weeks? 6?) after 9-11? I'll add the caveat that it would take a pretty serious event to delay elections on a national scale. Big diff between a city not electing a mayor, and the country not choosing its leaders.
My thinking was armed insurrection based on suspension of the ballot box over something trumped up, or "Because Obama Can". At that point, all bets are off, IMHO.
And, I think FReepers fantasize about a secular Armageddon - think breakdown of rule of law, the country's infrastructure gets broken, no distribution of goods and services, and so on. Biblical Armageddon is a whole 'nother topic. :-)
“Sorry but a military coup would make america like the third world. It´s still a democratic republic!”
If this is a Democratic Republic, why does the government ignore the people? It doesn’t seem to fit the Democratic Republic definition any more.
“Better to go through the democratic (small “d”) process and watch these Marxists be repudiated by the people who originally elected them.”
- - - if that’s possible with massive Democrat voter fraud and a packed court.
“We are supposed to be the advocates of the Constitution and Rule of Law”
We are, but Obama’s regime honors neither one. They are outlaws.
Wow! If that isn't enough what is?
If this is a Democratic Republic, why does the government ignore the people?
The question of the day! It seems to me that everything we have done so far..attending peaceful rallies; emailing, writing, calling, faxing our reps; none of it is working. The health care monstrosity was passed when we the people did NOT want it. WHY are they not listening? And HOW do we stop this, when all efforts thus far have failed? I am very, very scared right now..for my children, for my family and friends, and for my country. I have begun to feel hopeless..what we have done so far has been to no avail. Those that run the country right now are doing whatever they want..they don’t give one whit what we the people think! Doesn’t anyone else believe that the elections in November will be rigged to keep these people in power? Why wouldn’t they do that..they have done everything else against our wishes!
If this is a Democratic Republic, why does the government ignore the people? It doesn’t seem to fit the Democratic Republic definition any more.
When I read really extreme stuff here I always wonder if the freeper is just unstable, or just a plant with a good sense of humor.
Well, I can see what you mean about that.
If that was the case, then when I start laughing about it online (as I do many times) -- then I would expect them to start laughing too... but they get mad and start to call me a troll and try to get me banned instead.
If they were just joking around, then they really take that joke to extremes with me, in trying to get me banned in the process ... LOL ...
I agree with everything you said except that I’m not scared to death. Though I’m a Patriotic American, this isn’t really my home. Jesus said he’s preparing a place for me, and if they kill me for being a Christian, I’ll be only the 137,000,000th one (or thereabouts).
Please join me. He’ll welcome you, too.
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