Woman's hospital memories contradict "birthers"

The Daily Republic ^ | May 15, 2010 | Ross Dolan

[Smokeyblue]

U.S. House candidate Chris Nelson earlier this week dismissed “birther” statements attributed to him and said he believes Barack Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen and the legitimately elected president of the United States.

So does Eleanor Nordyke — and according to her, she should know.

Nordyke, 82, of Honolulu, Hawaii, says that on Aug. 4, 1961, she was in labor with her twin daughters Susan and Gretchen at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital — the same place Barack Obama was being born. The hospital has since been renamed Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children.

“Birthers” is the term given to those who believe Obama was not born in the United States and does not, therefore, meet a primary qualification for the presidency.

Nordyke, in a Friday telephone interview with The Daily Republic, said the birthers have consistently discounted her testimony. She is certain they are wrong.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Basing the numbers on the order in which the mothers entered the hospital doesn't make any sense at all.

It could make sense. See #98 for a plausible scenario. I'm not saying it's what happened, but it could have.

[Wild Irish Rogue]

Barry and Company must be getting worried.
Anderson Cooper’s hysterical “birther “ segment with Lt Col Lakin the other night was another example.
They drag out an 82 yr old who offers nothing substantive or empirical to validate that Barry was born at the same hospital where she gave birth.
Back in the day, most hospitals had labor wards , not private birthing suites like now.
When the woman was ready to gave birth, she was taken to the Delivery Room.
Odd that Mrs Nordyke doesn’t mention seeing an inky black older man and a white teen ager during her stay.
And women did not go home as soon as they do now.
Odd that she didn’t encounter the older black man and the white teen ager gazing at the babies in the nursery during visiting hours.
Visiting hours were stricter then and visitors and mothers usually gathered en masse at the nursery window at the same time.
Their maternity stay had to dovetail.
I agree with Dr Jerome Corsi who likes to say he didn’t take mind reading at Harvard, so he has no idea what’s on the sealed original birth certificate.
Only that it’s sealed from the American public.
How can anyone disagree with that fact ?
And not wonder why ?

[parsifal]

Good way the BC numbers could have happened, other than that, though, I have to agree with the Birfers (gag gag gag cough gag - wash mouth out and rinse with Jack Daniels) that she hasn’t really contradicted anything.

parsy, who thinks he has read this story before

[john mirse]

“My daughters’ birth certificates were 10637 and 10638, and Obama’s was 10641, so his mother must have come in after I did,” Nordyke said, though she never met Obama’s mother. That makes a lot sense if the charge nurse provided a blank birth certificate to the birthing staff in each delivery room.

That way the delivery staff can record the time of birth, etc. on the certificate and the physician can sign it after delivery. It would prevent fraud AND would save the physician from having to come back later to sign several certificates in one batch while comparing delivery notes to information on the birth certificate.

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I'm sorry, but I can't seem to follow your reasoning.

For instance, when and where do you say the numbers were put on the birth certificate: At the hospital or at the Hawaii Dept. of Vital Statistics?

So, could you please explain in more detail how Obama, who was born BEFORE the Nordyke twins, received a HIGHER number than the twins? Thanks.

[jamese777]

When did she find out that Obama’s cert number was 10641??? and from whom???? the journalist taking notes in front of her???

And it’s that number alone that leads her to say “that his mother must have come in after I did” even though “she never met Obama’s mother” ???? — Never??? even years later???

What a contrived piece of prrefabrication.

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The birth certificate number issue was originally raised by so-called “birthers” over a year ago and the Nordyke Twins’ numbers were being used as evidence to “prove” that Obama’s COLB was fraudulent. That’s how she knows.
The following is from nearly a year ago from right here on Free Republic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2303014/posts

[762X51]

YEP!, yep, and yep. His white trash mama could have squirted his skinny ass out on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, and IF papa was Hussein Sr. (Kenyan citizen) then Jr. ain’t now and NEVER will be eligible to hold the Office of President of the United States.

[Uncle Chip]

Thanks, you proved my point —

[jamese777]

Thanks, you proved my point —

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You’re welcome. Glad that I could help.

[john mirse]

Nordkye said she doesn’t know who Obama’s mother’s doctor was, but only five obstetricians were at the hospital at the time, she said. Birthers have complained that the name of the attending physician is being hidden.

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The 5 Kapiolani Hospital Obstetricians: If a good investigative reporter could find the names of those five obstetricians, we might be able to find out if Obama was or was not born in that hospital afterall.

As I see it, those 5 doctors could be the key to this Obama birth certificate controversy because I believe that they are NOT bound by privacy laws when they say something like the following: "yes, I delivered Obama" or "No, I did not deliver Obama.", but I know who did."

Tracking down those 5 doctors and their families would be a great historical event for some brave and skilled investigative reporter, I believe.

Does anyone have the names of those 5 obstetricians? If we could finally find their names, that would be a great find of enormous historical significance, in my opinion.

[BuckeyeTexan]

I’ve previously discussed my experience as a title clerk for an automobile dealership in college. Each dealership received a block of title numbers (and license plates) to use when titling new vehicles sold at the dealership. The title clerk worked for the dealership, not the DMV, and was a notary. During that discussion I posed that the hospitals could have operated in the same manner with the DOH, where a hospital employee, likely a head nurse(s) assigned the certificate numbers to the birth certificates from a pre-assigned block of numbers allocated to the hospital.

So, given that scenario, the charge nurse could have, theoretically, stamped/assigned the certificate number on a blank birth certificate form and given it to the delivery staff to have on-hand in the birthing room to record pertinent information about the birth and have the physician sign the birth certificate after delivery. That process would prevent fraud and save the physician from having to review and sign several birth certificates at a later time.

So if Stanley Ann was admitted after Mrs. Nordyke, then her delivery room and paperwork would have been assigned after Mrs. Nordyke’s.

I know from experience that the physician signed a bunch of hospital paperwork in the delivery room right after each of my children were born. He declared the time of birth and all that right there in the delivery room.

So it makes sense to me. I’m sure the birthers will disagree.

[AGreatPer]

When my son was born I pick out the wrong baby in the window. The guy next to me said, no that's yours with the black hair. Nobody ever in our family had black hair when born. He is still my accountant today. That's the only person I remembered.

[jamese777]

The 5 Kapiolani Hospital Obstetricians: If a good investigative reporter could find the names of those five obstetricians, we might be able to find out if Obama was or was not born in that hospital afterall.

As I see it, those 5 doctors could be the key to this Obama birth certificate controversy because I believe that they are NOT bound by privacy laws when they say something like the following: “yes, I delivered Obama” or “No, I did not deliver Obama.”, but I know who did.”

Tracking down those 5 doctors and their families would be a great historical event for some brave and skilled investigative reporter, I believe.

Does anyone have the names of those 5 obstetricians? If we could finally find their names, that would be a great find of enormous historical significance, in my opinion.

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Here’s one of them. Dr. West was in semi-retirement in 1961 but he did still perform deliveries.

According to testimony from an Obama family friend President Obama was born in Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, who learned this from the doctor in charge of the hospital that delivered Obama.

When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible today to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.

“I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.

His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”

The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.

“I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,” said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the “Stanley” connection.

She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby’s father was the first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the baby’s name.

Source: The Buffalo News, January 26, 2009

[DoughtyOne]

Nice story. I appreciate the mention. I can see that happening in other round-about ways too.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Dr. Rodney West was one of those obstetricians.

Here’s an article about Barbara Nelson who claims to remember having a discussion with Dr. West about a woman named Stanley giving birth.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/more-testimony-obama-was-born-in-k/

[john mirse]

So, given that scenario, the charge nurse could have, theoretically, stamped/assigned the certificate number on a blank birth certificate form and given it to the delivery staff to have on-hand in the birthing room to record pertinent information about the birth and have the physician sign the birth certificate after delivery. That process would prevent fraud and save the physician from having to review and sign several birth certificates at a later time.

So if Stanley Ann was admitted after Mrs. Nordyke, then her delivery room and paperwork would have been assigned after Mrs. Nordyke’s.

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It sounds as if you believe that those numbers that we see stamped on the top of the birth certificates were assigned at the hospital and NOT at Hawaii Vital Statistics? Is that what you are saying?

As you may know, there are two numbers BETWEEN the Nordyke twins numbers and Obama's number.

Are you saying that Obama's mother probably not only came to the delivery room AFTER Mrs. Nordyke, she also came into the delivery room AFTER two other mothers, and that is why Obama's number is so far down the list from the Nordyke twins numbers? Thanks.

[El Sordo]

“Lets say he was born in Hawaii. His father was a not born in the U.S. so he is not a natural born citizen.”

Great. Now get someone, anyone, anyone at all, in Congress, the USSC, or a major legal think tank to agree with you.

[john mirse]

Here’s one of them. Dr. West was in semi-retirement in 1961 but he did still perform deliveries. According to testimony from an Obama family friend President Obama was born in Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, who learned this from the doctor in charge of the hospital that delivered Obama.

When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible today to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.

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Thanks for posting the article on Dr. West. I have seen it many times on the internet in the past.

One down and four Kapiolani obstetricians to go.

Just wondering: When we finally see Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate, do you think that Dr. West's name will be on it, or do you think that the birth certificate will have another doctor's name on it?

[jamese777]

Thanks for posting the article on Dr. West. I have seen it many times on the internet in the past.

One down and four Kapiolani obstetricians to go.

Just wondering: When we finally see Obama’s Hawaii long form birth certificate, do you think that Dr. West’s name will be on it, or do you think that the birth certificate will have another doctor’s name on it?

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Who knows? But I have no reason to doubt Ms. Nelson’s recollection, so I guess my money’s on Dr. West.
However what I would like to see is a Grand Jury investigation which would mean subpoena power to release the long form certificate and also testimony taken under oath. Perhaps Mrs. Nordyke and Ms. Nelson could testify.

[john mirse]

Dr. Rodney West was one of those obstetricians.

Here’s an article about Barbara Nelson who claims to remember having a discussion with Dr. West about a woman named Stanley giving birth.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/more-testimony-obama-was-born-in-k/

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Dr. West: I find it strange that Dr. West is the only Hawaii obstetrician whose name comes up over and over again on message boards.

What happened to the other four obstetricians at the hospital who Mrs. Nordyke talks about? They seemed to have vanished from the face of the earth.

And what about Obama's mother doctor? I would think that she visited a Hawaiian doctor regularly before she delivered her baby? Does anyone know who her regular doctor was?

My point is this: I don't think that Obama's mother suddenly appeared at the hospital as if she was a homeless person and the first time she saw the obstetrician who delivered her baby was when she was wheeled into the delivery room.

I think it would be more reasonable to believe that Obama's mother's obstetrician was someone who she had been visiting for several months and who she knew a long time before she went to the hospital to have her baby, Obama.

[VideoDoctor]

Well, then that settles it. We can all go home and eat bonbons now knowing the truth. /s